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Post by amazingates on Dec 5, 2019 14:22:50 GMT -8
Tearing Apart Celebrity Cypher/ Sandy Beaches Card 9/25/90(Possible Zodiac Card)
This card is one in the "series" of Ocean Beaches cards. The one zodiac actually sent is thought to have "driftwood" on the front. No one has found a card yet with "driftwood" on it. If whoever sent the card sent the one with "driftwood" on it, then maybe they had some of the other 5 cards from the series of 6 cards. I'm going to go ahead and think about THIS card as well, as it might have something the sender liked as well.
The Stamp that is on the card
other Threads to read with this one. Marriann Wizard - Turn Guns Around - Notes On Gi Movementtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/405/mariann-wizard-turn-notes-movementTearing Apart Personal Ad - Deep Real Estate Imperial Wizardtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/389/tearing-personal-estate-imperial-wizard
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Post by amazingates on Dec 5, 2019 20:30:08 GMT -8
The first part to look at is ... which tells me nothing so far.
Sandy Beaches ... it is all out there by itself... so if it is a clue, Sandy and Beaches will have something that CHECKS .
Sandy - made of sand, bank, beach, border, coast, riverbank, waterfront, brim, brink, strand margin, riverside, seacoast, shingle can be like the color tan, cream, gold, tawny, yellowish, olive-brown....
Sand Y - sand= residue, deposit, settings, silt, mud, plaster, binder, glue, grout, bond, putty, size, solder, tar, paste, stickum, dust, diry, powder, soil, soot, ashes, grit, ground, rub, scour, sratch, vex, wear, rub, jar, grate, brush, buff, burnish, cleanse, flush, pumice, to flatten slick, sleek, round, press, polish, iron, even clear, lay, grade, gloss, slick, varnish, make uniform, round, plane, press, level, grate, rub, scrape, file, grit, whet, gnash, give an edge to.
Beaches / Beach - coast, shore, waterfront, margin bank lakeside, lakeshore, seaboard, seaside, shingle, strand, sandy area by body of water,
says BEACHES... so more than one?
CALIFORNIA = STATE = CAli for/fore/four/4 N/in . IA/indiana . = Cali 4 in indiana = interesting but what would it check with.? Ca lifor/lifer in indiana?
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so there are a ton of words to use, they have to =/check for sandy and for beach... that's pretty easy... but there are so many we have to figure out how we have the RIGHT words.
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so lets also scramble the words sandy and beaches and see what we get
sandy - S and Y ...
S = ess . y = why, Y .... might be YES... was there someone named S and Y... or Essy... Essie? Y + S + YS= WISE
and = N ad... in ad... is there an ad to look at? and = too, also, 2, two, to, add.
scramble BEACHES = Be aches (ache is also in Halloween card) ...Sandy B paynes/paines/pains/... is BEACH/ BEACHES a surname?
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Post by amazingates on Dec 5, 2019 23:31:12 GMT -8
Let me try using the words CELEBRITY CYPHER Maybe if we try to decode something out of these 2 words it will come up with something that will CHECK or CHECK with the words Sandy Beaches California
For some reason this is named the Celebrity Cypher, WHY? What Celebrity? Let's see if I can find one in these words. Or if the combination of the words will give us the name of the Celebrity.
Okay maybe it has to do with the Valerie Percy murder? I don't think so, but the word Percy jumped out at me... but does not look like it works. It has quite a few things "going on" but I can't get anything to really check... but I'll leave this on here, just "in case later" something comes up.
CELEBRITY - dignitary, figure, hero, personage, personality, star, superstar, VIP, ace, bigwig, heavyweight, name, notable, big gun, big shot, celb, famous person, stardom, glory, honor, prestige, renown, prominence, repute. dignitary -a person considered to be important because of high rank or office
CYPHER - / cipher, gopher, sphere, cover, super, phew, chef, cyber
Celebrity - Scramble - rebel city.... bit celery....bite celery (Kenilworth Rebels – the Rebels are the football team of 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th grade students.
Cypher scramble - percy H ( Charles "Chuck" Harting Percy, Senator)
why is cypher spelled like that? has to be a reason. cherpy/chirpy/birdie/bird/ tweetie bird (sing like a bird), perchy cipher = chef
Sandy Beaches Card - September 25, 1990 Valerie Jean Percy Murder - September 18, 1966 Kenilworth, Cook County, Illinois (at that time probably ILL) North Shore Suburb - Lakefront home on lake Michigan (Beaches) The Kenilworth Beach
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Post by amazingates on Dec 5, 2019 23:35:48 GMT -8
Celebrity = Rebel City It's a movie so there are celebrity in the movie. A star, and this one a "big gun" (that could work) Now we have to get the CYPHER to work in line and CHECK with it ... Let's see if there is something in there that works.
And it also has to make sense with the SANDY BEACHESCELEBRITY - dignitary, figure, hero, personage, personality, star, superstar, VIP, ace, bigwig, heavyweight, name, notable, big gun, big shot, celb, famous person, stardom, glory, honor, prestige, renown, prominence, repute. dignitary -a person considered to be important because of high rank or office CYPHER - / cipher, gopher, sphere, cover, super, phew, chef, cyber (gopher is underground, hidden, so is cypher/cipher.) CY - (PHER =pher- Greek bearing, carrying, support)
cphyre = sphere = circle CYPHER scramble - cherpy/chirpy (phonics) birdie. Tweety bird (sing like a bird?) tell? Celebrity - Scramble - rebel city
I don't think this has anything to do with it, but found it so will stick it out here in case someone else sees something Rebel City is a 1953 American western film directed by Thomas Carr and starring Wild Bill Elliott, Marjorie Lord and Robert Kent. The film is set in Junction City in Kansas during the American Civil War where Southern supporters are attempting to launch an uprising. His guns were loaded for one town ... on man... one roaring moment of revenge!CastWild Bill Elliott as Frank Graham Marjorie Lord as Jane Dudley Robert Kent as Captain Ramsey Keith Richards as Temple I. Stanford Jolley as Perry Denver Pyle as Greeley Henry Rowland as Hardy John Crawford as Joe Spencer Otto Waldis as Spain - the Jeweler Stanley Price as Herb Ray Walker as Colonel Barnes Michael Vallon as Sam - the Barber Bill Walker as William ________________________________- SANDY - BEACHES - __________________ BRINGING THIS DOWN FROM TOP POST SO I CAN WORK ON IT HERESandy Beaches ... it is all out there by itself... so if it is a clue, Sandy and Beaches will have something that CHECKS . Sandy - made of sand, bank, beach, border, coast, riverbank, waterfront, brim, brink, strand margin, riverside, seacoast, shingle can be like the color tan, cream, gold, tawny, yellowish, olive-brown.... Sand Y - sand= residue, deposit, settings, silt, mud, plaster, binder, glue, grout, bond, putty, size, solder, tar, paste, stickum, dust, diry, powder, soil, soot, ashes, grit, ground, rub, scour, sratch, vex, wear, rub, jar, grate, brush, buff, burnish, cleanse, flush, pumice, to flatten slick, sleek, round, press, polish, iron, even clear, lay, grade, gloss, slick, varnish, make uniform, round, plane, press, level, grate, rub, scrape, file, grit, whet, gnash, give an edge to. Beaches / Beach - coast, shore, waterfront, margin bank lakeside, lakeshore, seaboard, seaside, shingle, strand, sandy area by body of water, says BEACHES... so more than one? OR . B'S ACHE I can feel it in my Bones, you ACHE (pain/payne/paine) to know my name.CALIFORNIA = STATE = CAli for/fore/four/4 N/in . IA/indiana . = Cali 4 in indiana = interesting but what would it check with.? Ca lifor/lifer in indiana? that does not work.... scramble California -A IRA Falcon ? ... ARIA Falcon ? ... Falcon is a Ford car... or a bird . aria is usually in opera for one voice. ARIA is also "AIR" in Italian
here are the ARIA's in the Mikado
1 Willow, Tit-Willow 2 The sun whose rays are all ablaze English Yum-Yum 3 As some day it may happen English Ko-Ko 4 Our great Mikado virtuous man English Pish-Tush 5 Alone and yet alive English Katisha 6 A wandering minstrel English Nanki-Poo 7 A more human Mikado English The Mikado ______________________________________ so there are a ton of words to use, they have to =/check for sandy and for beach... that's pretty easy... but there are so many we have to figure out how we have the RIGHT words. _____________________ so lets also scramble the words sandy and beaches and see what we get sandy - S and Y ... S = ess . y = why, Y .... might be YES... was there someone named S and Y... or Essy... Essie? Y + S + YS= WISE and = N ad... in ad... is there an ad to look at? and = too, also, 2, two, to, add. scramble BEACHES = Be aches (ache is also in Halloween card) ...Sandy B paynes/paines/pains/... is BEACH/ BEACHES a surname?
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 1:27:46 GMT -8
ok looking at the picture on the one card (the Carmel one) this is interesting also...
although this is not suppose to be the exact card, but rather one in the series of Ocean Beaches cards, it is still interesting. it just gave me a few ideas, even though the card zodiac(or whoever) sent, it is the same series
That definitely looks like a CYPRESS tree to me. There is a famous Cypress in Carmel, which is definitely a Sandy Beach. Being this card is so old, I'm not sure if that is the same tree or not. I've been there a million times. And that definitely looks like the Point at Carmel.
So this gives me some other ideas... and also... I remember some weird murders just down the way from there, in between there and Big Sur. Some woman was killed in her tent on a beach I think. I'll have to see if I can find that.
Carmel is right there on top of Monterey, Fort Ord Army Base.
We also have the famous 17 mile drive there too. Interesting.
Maybe this will help us put some stuff together.
Celebrity - hmmm I wonder if Clint Eastwood was living there at the time of this card? I think he was. He had a bar there. Let me go look
yes I just went and looked and that is definitely CARMEL and that is the CYPRESS
Just for some other flukey things going on off the top of my head.
not that far of a drive from Santa Cruz at all (use to do it all the time) very common to drive over to Carmel from Santa Cruz or vice versa.
Paul Stine is buried at Cypress Lawn Memorial Park Colma, San Mateo County, California, US
one of the suspects in the zodiac case lived on Cypress Ave in Redding. who was it, I can't remember. LET ME GO FIND THAT
OH, IT WAS DENNIS MOWER(MINUTEMAN) 1029 W. Cypress Ave, Redding, CA (March 1975-May 1975) but this address if AFTER the card sent.. I wonder if he had relatives living there in 1990? I wonder if he was in CARMEL? was he in Santa Cruz?
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 1:34:18 GMT -8
Here is something else about that card... cypress is a type of PINE tree, and look at it, you can certainly PEEK THROUGH IT Just thought of something. I remember on a clear day if you were in Monterey you could look straight across the ocean and see Santa Cruz. So hmmm, can you look across from that beach on this card and see santa cruz? let me go look on a map. It looks like the Carmel Point is going to be in the way, however, there are some HIGH cliffs there, so maybe if you were up on top of the cliff you could see the lights of Santa Cruz through the Cypress Tress(Pine Tree) ? I don't know. But what else do you see if you are PEEKING THROUG THE CYPRESS TREE? the SANDY BEACHES and the WATER. (DEEP water, SEA, C, SEE) CARMEL
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 2:32:02 GMT -8
Back in the 70's Santa Cruz was known as the murder capitol of the world. They had at least 3 sk's there at once, but one was KEMPER who is not attributed to killing anyone until 1972... but who knows how many others were there killing. 2 other were documented to be killing there since 1970...There could have been more killers there. Then there was the trailside killer. Was Zodiac over in that area also? So back to this Sandy Beaches Card. What does the person who sent this want us to see? Or is he "talking to" someone he knows, giving them a message. I think he is sending someone a message, perhaps to tell them where he is at. But who really knows. All we know is that card is showing Carmel by the sea. NOW 6 YRS LATER - 1976 - THE DEEP REAL ESTATE Imperial Wizard ADnow you would think there would be no connection to the DEEP REAL ESTATE AD 6 yrs later in 1976... but watch this..... Carmel By The Sea - that is exactly where that Beach is and EXactly what they call Carmel (Carmel by the Sea) So the DEEP REAL ESTATE AD - decoded at this thread belowtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/389/tearing-personal-estate-imperial-wizard__________________- SO LOOK AT THIS CARMEL BY THE SEA . = CARMEL AT THE SEA SCRAMBLE THAT = REAL ESTATE - C M A H... C = SEA... M A H so we have the letters H A M left to do something with. what is ham... well if you think the minutemen are involved it might very well be M and H... Mowers and Houghton.... Where were they at the time? could it have been them? and in 1976, was one of them back in CARMEL again? or... does H A M or HAM . mean something else. who is HAM? can a "HAM" be a celebrity? Ham = one who overacts.... hot dog, exhibitionist, grandstander, hotshot, showoff. Hotshot, one who over ACTS could definitely be a CELEBRITY. so does Zodiac at this time think he is some HOT SHOT CELEBRITY?
SO WHAT IS THERE IN CARMEL BY THE SEA, THAT ZODIAC COULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN 1970 AND AGAIN IN 1976?
Does he just like the place, or is their family there, a good friend, is it the Monterey Army base at Fort Ord? "IF" he has been there twice, 6yrs apart (and might have been there many times for all we know) then what is taking him back there? ___________________ If we do this in reverse with the 1976 AD DEEP REAL ESTATE . ( ALL capitals, so capitol) now watch this? deep = water, sea, see , C the capitol of California USE to be MONTEREY... where is CARMEL, in Monterey county right there at monterey. so DEEP = C Monterey capitol/capital is M REAL + C + M = CARMEL ESTATE- state capitol ... estate = old state = Monterey. estate = at seat... SEA . SEAT = capitol seat of california, monterey, Carmel at the sea capitol seat, sandy beaches California. So who is the imperial Wizard at Carmel By The Sea, Monterey? (who is in the DEEP REAL ESTATE AD?)
is it the Military psyche at Fort Ord, Monterey? or is there some kind of "safe house" there?
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 2:47:56 GMT -8
I still need to go find those old cold cases in monterey/Big Sur Area. I know one was a woman who was killed in her tent, and I think it was about half-way to Big Sur, south of Carmel/Monterey.
I'll look tomorrow.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 11:59:32 GMT -8
Now lets look at the stamp on this card. We know that Zodiac uses Stamps and Pics for communication, as well as "cyphers" Marianne Moore was a poet/writer/editor. I can see why Zodiac would like her, even beyond the Hidden code clues of the stamp So the name on the stamp is also Marianne(with an e on the end but same name) as Mariann Wizard. Also the last name is MOORE as in "there will be MOORE" I can see the marianne stamp part representing Mariann Wizard, but did the person who sent the Sandy Beaches Card also have a tie to the Cheri Bates Letters? or is it just a coincidence that the name on the stamp is MOORE. I always thought the bates letters with MORE, really meant MOORE... but I had not idea who it might be talking about. this is getting even more interesting Moore was born in Kirkwood, Missouri, in the manse of the Presbyterian church where her maternal grandfather, John Riddle Warner, served as pastor. Her father, John Milton Moore, a mechanical engineer and inventor, suffered a psychotic episode, as a consequence of which her parents separated before she was born; Moore never met him. She and her elder brother, John Warner Moore, were reared by their mother, Mary Warner Moore. The family wrote voluminous letters to one another throughout their lives, often addressing each other by playful nicknames and using a private language.She moved to 35 West Ninth Street in Manhattan in 1965. After she moved back to Greenwich Village, she was widely recognized around town for her tricorn hat and black cape
Moore corresponded with Ezra Pound from 1918, and visited him regularly during his incarceration at St. Elizabeth's. She opposed Benito Mussolini and Fascism from the start, and objected to Pound's antisemitism.
Moore was involved in the American suffrage movement starting in her university years at Bryn Mawr, from 1905 to 1909 Moore was involved in a "suffrage society"
Moore was never as public about her involvement in the suffrage movement after that parade in 1913, because afterward she began participating anonymously, mostly through writing, using a pseudonym. During her stay in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, she admitted years later, she "wrote suffrage pieces for the Carlisle newspaper", which at the time appeared to be authored anonymously. Dr. Mary Chapman (University of British Columbia) argues that Moore was the writer of suffragist writings of the time in Carlisle news publications and that could be analyzed by examining her specific writing style alongside suffragist prose and poetry that were published in the Carlisle Evening Herald in 1915: "Many of the prosuffrage articles that appeared in the Heraldexhibit Moore’s characteristic reliance on quotation." Additionally, a letter appealing for the women’s suffrage movement in the Carlisle Evening Sentinel is signed "Miss M.M.", which scholars believe could stand for Marianne Moore because "the absence of any other documented unmarried female suffragists in the Carlisle area with the initials M.M. make it likely that the Sentinel reader who coyly constructs a letter to the editor almost entirely from quotation is Marianne Moore". Moore’s poem "Silence" (1924) also resembles the writing style that was seen in the Sentinel letter. Moore established herself on the surface as a modernist poet, and the common practice within the modernist circle of poets was to not engage with the politics of the time; but her writings displayed a "sophisticated political subtext".
Photo of Marianne Moore with Alan Gingsberg
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Post by sandyb1 on Jan 1, 2020 11:18:23 GMT -8
You left out a very important reason why the person used that particular stamp! The date Marianne Moore died was the same date "FEB 5th" when the Swindles were murdered at Ocean Beach Ca. When ever Zodiac would send a card he would add the ciphers to the cards or letters. The maker of the card had nothing to do with with "Sandy Beaches" being a cipher. Please correct the date of the card, the date was Sept. 25th 1990 not 1970.
I hope you don't think that I am picking on you, because I keep finding mistakes? It is important to the case to have the facts correct , is why I keep making corrections. (Again Marianne Moore is not connected to Mariann Wizard). If you will re-read the thread again at Morfs and I know that is where you read about the card. it has the correct date.
I think it may also show the solution was solved already by Lyndon Lafferty who taught code. If not, I have a copy he gave me and it sure made sense to me and was something that Zodiac would write about. ( He believes women are sluts )
I am not a doctor , but that seems like Zodiac had a problem with his mother or some other female? Zodiac always did more of a overkill with the females. (Like Cecelia Shepard).
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Post by amazingates on Jan 11, 2020 10:55:19 GMT -8
Looking at this card again. I'll post more later but for now, I'm trying see if anything in this card connects to oceanside where the other cabby was shot and killed in 1962. Interesting that the killing is about half an hour from San Diego. (I'm "clicking" on the whole San Diego Connection) . It's too early for me to tell much, but I think this might make some sense. The cabby killed in 1962 was killed in Oceanside. 2.2 miles in Carlsbad Village was the Army and Navy Academy.( I have to check on the dates and make sure it was there at THAT time, I don't know yet. Still checking all this stuff out. I'm working on all of this over on this thread New Article - Oceanside CA Cabby Killed /Threat To Bus 1962theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/443/article-oceanside-cabby-threat-1962
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Post by amazingates on Jan 20, 2020 12:44:41 GMT -8
I have some thoughts here.... Sandy says the cop told her that the card was the card in the series that had DRIFTWOOD on it... okay that might be something for sure. if there is a series of these SANDY BEACHES cards, and if there are 6 in the series, how many did "Zodiac" actually send in to the feds? Maybe he sent in all 6 and we just do not know it. There are cards surfacing even now that we have never seen, so what if the feds have all cards of the Sandy Beaches series? Maybe we should try to find them all and look at them all. and would one of them have been OCEANSIDE or San diego? it's possible; we need to find out. also Incotelpro states they have the Weatherman code. So is what they have look anything like the code on this Celebrity Card. Can why did he put CELEBRITY on there... is in it hollywood? who else is a celebrity? what about that cabby killing in oceanside and his body is found by the mayor who owns the theater? or what about Dennis Mower the minuteman who's father is Jack Mower an actor who had more of the early color film roles than any other actor. His father was definitely a celebrity, and the minutemen also had a code. And a strip of it was found in an fbi raid of one of the minutemen who was a friend of Dennis Mower, and of course Dennis Mower is a friend of Sam Bowers, kkk imperial wizard. maybe we should compare the code on this card to the strip of code found at the minuteman's house during the raid and see if it looks similar? or maybe the ocean beaches card is a fake cointelpro card? possible, they were doing that at the time. let me get the strip of MM code up on here. now does that look anything like the coding on the celebrity card ?
What I did just notice though is this......
Vallejo Times Herold, with an O.. it should be an A but if you are spelling Troy Houghton's real first name which is Herold, it is spelled like on the card, with an "O"
Troy Houghton and Dennis Mower were basically not only friends and both minutemen but they were Very very very close. and Dennis' father, Jack Mower was an actor/producer, a celebrity for real for sure. Troy Houghton lived in San Diego, moved away and went back to San Diego in 1961, a year before the Cabby murder of Ray Davis in Oceanside CA, April 10, 1962. Sandy Beaches would sure describe Oceanside, San Diego county CA. Is there a card in this series that has drift wood and is a photo of Oceanside CA or somewhere in San Diego CA? or Dennis Mower was in Van Nuys, in 1962, but not sure where he was in other years, but is there a card in this series that has driftwood on it that is down by Van Nuys?
Also Troy Houghton's father is Harold, and his mother is VAHN/ VAL. we have a ton of troy houghtong clues in the z communications. but who is writing that is the question and putting them in there, Troy, or someone else pretending they are Troy.
also look at this card and the zodiac sign, R O (then square with black and white diagonally) and the +... so you have the zodiac sign and the RO+(T) and the square with the diagonal line that comes down like a "y" would do.. .is this all just flukey? possible, but maybe it isn't
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Post by amazingates on Jan 20, 2020 13:14:02 GMT -8
and the word after Herold is VALlejo .... that is the parents of Troy Houghton, Herold and Val, now that is really flukey
and look at the H's in Vallejo... they are almost like small h's... HH
and why is he making the J a capital J in that word?
this could all just be flukey... I need to start at the beginning of it and go through it all and see what happens.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 20, 2020 13:22:32 GMT -8
the other thought is that this card is BS. I'm not saying it is not part of the z etc, but maybe this is one of incotelpro's bs communications? it's possible. so much totally SURFACE stuff on there. which gave me another thought that has nothing to do with this card.... _____________________ what if an informant gave them the code key, and that is how Harden solved it? what if he really did not solve the code, but rather the feds just said he did so the coder would not know an informant gave them the key? hmmm For the Harden stuff and the Code Key and communication sent in by Concerned Citizen, here is the thread for that 8-10-1969 Code Key sent to Vallejo PDtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/291/1969-code-key-sent-vallejo
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