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Post by ophion1031 on Jan 8, 2019 22:13:26 GMT -8
Copied from the old website. Most of this information was posted in 2015 and 2016........ This personal ad is very strange, like most things in the Zodiac case. It was first mentioned in Robert Graysmith's book, Zodiac Unmasked........ (credit to Mike Morford) I'm not sure who actually found the ad, but here it is....... (credit to Seagull) A lot of people, especially criminals, communicated in code through personal ads back in those days. In this thread we can break it down and discuss it's meaning and if this is a legitimate message to Zodiac. If you are not aware, this ad was in the Chronicle just TWO DAYS after the death of Zodiac suspect, Fred Manalli. Although Manalli was not a suspect until years later, it is still very interesting that this ad was two days after his death. Why? Because Manalli does not fit the profile of the killer, BUT his handwriting and usage of words/phrases are very similar to the Zodiac letters, and in the personal ad, "Your partner is in DEEP REAL ESTATE" sounds to me like "your partner is dead." And perhaps somebody involved worked in real estate? "The Imperial Wizard can save you." Ok, who the hell is the Imperial Wizard? The KKK has leaders who are called Imperial Wizards, but other than that I have never heard that used before. And what does it mean that he can "save" Zodiac? Is this "Imperial Wizard" the one that placed the ad? It seems unlikely, as it probably would have read "surrender to me" rather than "surrender to him." So, we have Zodiac, the killer.... We have a "partner." We have the "Imperial Wizard. And we have the person that placed the ad, who uses the initials of R.A. So if this is actually legit, that makes at least four people involved in these crimes. We would know the roles of the killer and that the partner was the one writing the letters as well as possibly having other duties, but what roles did the "Imperial Wizard" and this "R.A." person have? "Surrender to him or I'll terminate your case." Terminate your case? This could mean several things. Sounds like lawyer talk to me. And why would Zodiac surrender to the Imperial Wizard? If I had to make a guess at all of this, I would say that Zodiac was just a killer and was not in charge of what was going on. If that is the case, it could be that "Zodiac" was a character that was created for some purpose. A couple of ideas..... The Napa Co. Sheriffs dept. was supposedly wrapped up in running drugs and weapons, as well as operating a counterfeiting ring. It is said that Darlene Ferrin may have had firsthand knowledge of this and that is why she was killed. That theory could be true, I don't know. I do know that the sheriffs dept. had some very shady individuals working for them. I am going to start a thread on that at some point, which I will link here. Another theory is that the CIA created Zodiac to see if their MK Ultra experiments were working. This may be far fetched, but it is possible. Leave no stone unturned! I know for a fact that they were doing these experiments in the bay area during the time of the murders, and even before then. I'm also going to be starting a thread on this, which will also be linked here. One of the goals of the MK Ultra project was to create assassins by using mind control. In the thread I create in the near future, I will throw out some names of people who could have been involved in something like that. One of these names, a psychiatrist, just happened to live very close to the corner of Washington & Cherry at the time of the Paul Stine murder. But I won't get into that right now..... It is possible that Zodiac was an MK Ultra test subject that was sent out to kill, all as a test. Again, this is probably pretty far fetched, but it is not out of the question. We all know the CIA is capable of such a thing. And this would explain why nobody was ever caught. I know that these experiments were happening at Mare Island Naval Base, which quite a few people think Zodiac has links to, and Oakland Naval Hospital. There were probably more places as well. EDIT: I already had an MK Ultra thread. Brain fart! Here is the link: theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/87/mk-ultra-bay-areaIf you are wondering if there are any Zodiac suspects who have ties to these MK Ultra experiments, the answer is yes. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, was a test subject while he was at Harvard. And I have read that Manalli may have been doing this as well, at San Quentin Prison, where he was teaching writing to inmates. It is my opinion that Kaczynski and Manalli both have very similar handwriting to the Zodiac letters. And this personal ad, if legit, makes Manalli a very good suspect for being Zodiac's "partner." Manalli may have even went on to commit the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders. You can find a lot more information on both suspects on the site.
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Post by ophion1031 on Jan 8, 2019 22:47:42 GMT -8
I typed in "List of San Francisco lawyers 1976" on google (regarding the S.F. Chronicle personal ad), and one of the top hits was a wiki page for "Peoples Temple in San Francisco." I was specifically looking for the initials R.A., but did not find anything. But now I am thinking that the R in R.A. could possibly stand for reverend. I could see a reverend being the "messanger" and placing this ad for the "Imperial Wizard". I have read about plenty of religious folk from different churches back then that were involved in some pretty heavy stuff... But this cult known as the "Peoples Temple" were big time scumbags and definite weirdos. They were very active in 1976, when Fred Manalli was killed. I have always wonder if Manalli's accident was indeed an accident or if there was foul play involved. I have seen absolutely nothing that indicates that Manalli was tied to this group, but I have plenty of time on my hands to look into it. "Problematic for the Temple was that Jones' "healing" ceremonies in San Francisco also drew some religious conservatives who were less likely to join a socialist organization. Because of that and the Temple's constant fear of conspiracies attempting to destroy "the most promising hope for world socialism", new members were carefully screened." Terminate your case??? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple"The Temple also asked adults to sign papers admitting various crimes and wrongdoings, including conspiring against the U.S. government, involvement in terrorist acts and molesting their own children. If such members attempted to leave the Temple, Jones threatened to release the statements." Bob Houston tried leaving the cult in 1976: "October 5, 1976, Bob Houston was found dead along the tracks at the Southern Pacific railroad yard." "Jones expressed admiration for the SLA after it kidnapped Patricia Hearst and was involved in shootings, and the Temple distributed the Symbionese Declaration among its members." Found a 1978 newspaper article that talked about how crazy San Francisco was. And it really was. There were a ton of weirdos running around. I would have fit right in! Anyways, here is a small piece of the article that mentions both Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple as well as the Zodiac Killer: Here is a link to check out the entire article if you have a newspapers.com account... www.newspapers.com/image/560394/?terms=the+peoples+temple+san+franciscoIn other reading, it seems like Timothy Stoen was a bit of a scumbag. He was a leader in the Peoples Temple AND and San Fran. deputy district attorney at the same time. He tried to interfere with an investigation into the temple in 1976. Too bad his initials aren't RA. And this link is a must read! www.paulmorantz.com/cult/escape-from-jonestown/
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 21, 2019 20:36:42 GMT -8
R.A. = Ronald Allison? It appears he may have been in San Fran at the time of the murders, AND he attended Riverside City College. I wonder if he knew Cheri Jo Bates... Looks like it would have been 1970 or 1971 when he was drafted and then returned to S.F. in 1973. This guy might be worth looking into. www.legacy.com/obituaries/pe/obituary.aspx?pid=176108127RONALD ALLISON MILLER, born February 1, 1946, in Gettysburg, Pa., to Harold & Pauline Miller (both deceased), died September 25, 2015, of pancreatic cancer at the age of 69. He graduated from Gettysburg H.S. in 1964, and a year later followed his parents to Riverside, Ca. He attended Riverside City College for two years and then enrolled at San Diego State earning a BA in 1968. He was accepted to U.C. Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco. During his second year at Hastings he was drafted into the US Army where he served as an M.P., spending two years on the 48th parallel between the two Korea's. After the army he returned to Hastings earning his Juris Doctor in 1973. He worked for attorney Everett Spriggs in Riverside, and in 1975 began working for Welebir, Brunick & Taylor in San Bernardino, Ca, where he practiced workers' compensation law becoming a certified specialist in that field. He accepted a partnership with the firm and remained there for 10 years and also served as Deputy City Attorney for the cities of Redlands and Rialto, Ca. He was a member of the San Bernardino and American Bar Associations, the State Bar of Ca, and the Greater Inland Empire Applicants' Attorneys Association. In 1984 he opened his own law firm where he successfully served the Inland Empire for 22 years. In 1975 he married Cheryl Oakes Mason becoming father to her two children and adopting them in 1983. He spent the next 40 years building a life of wonderful memories. He is survived by his loving wife Cheryl; two children Danny (Debi), Chrissy (Rick); and three grandchildren Riley, Gavin and Izabel. A memorial service will be held at Riverside National Cemetery, 22495 Van Buren Blvd., Riverside, October 16, at 2PM.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 21, 2019 21:16:13 GMT -8
Another thought..... the "Imperial Wizard" might not be KKK, although that is the only time I have heard of it. I was thinking of the possible MK Ultra experiments in the area and a lab guy, or whatever, who may have been conducting the experiments (or maybe an assistant) could have been wearing a white lab coat similar to a KKK outfit and maybe a patient started calling the guy "Imperial Wizard." The R.A. initials, maybe resident advisor of the facility where the (possible) experiments were taking place? Just a shot in the dark, really, but it is possible. As I mentioned before... if we are to believe that this personal ad is legit, which I think it is, then we must believe there are at least 4 people involved; Zodiac, the "partner," the "Imperial Wizard" and this "R.A." person who placed the ad. Manalli would have to be the partner, but who are the others and how do they all fit together? If this was the work of the MK Ultra program, then the whole Zodiac thing was probably an experiment as well. And the personal ad makes it sound like "R.A." and the "Imperial Wizard" could be Zodiac's handlers. Perhaps Dr. Meyer A. Zeligs is the Imperial Wizard. I don't know exactly how involved he was with the MK Ultra testing, but he was doing at least a little bit of mind control testing, and he lived close enough to the Stine murder scene that he could have watched from his front yard. Again, just some ideas worth exploring. 1871 KKK outfit: The Imperial Wizard normally wears purple robes, sometimes blue. The CIA were doing experiments in San Francisco in the 50's... "In Operation Midnight Climax, the CIA set up several brothels in San Francisco, California to obtain a selection of men who would be too embarrassed to talk about the events. The men were dosed with LSD, the brothels were equipped with one-way mirrors, and the sessions were filmed for later viewing and study. In other experiments where people were given LSD without their knowledge, they were interrogated under bright lights with doctors in the background taking notes. The subjects were told that their "trips" would be extended indefinitely if they refused to reveal their secrets. The people being interrogated this way were CIA employees, U.S. military personnel, and agents suspected of working for the other side in the Cold War. Long-term debilitation and several deaths resulted from this. Heroin addicts were bribed into taking LSD with offers of more heroin." Robert Hunter of the Grateful Dead (was a Zodiac suspect at one time) was an early volunteer of the MK Ultra experiments that were taking place at Stanford University. Stanford test subjects were paid to take LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline, then report on their experiences. These experiences were creatively formative for Hunter: "Sit back picture yourself swooping up a shell of purple with foam crests of crystal drops soft nigh they fall unto the sea of morning creep-very-softly mist ... and then sort of cascade tinkley-bell-like (must I take you by the hand, every so slowly type) and then conglomerate suddenly into a peal of silver vibrant uncomprehendingly, blood singingly, joyously resounding bells... By my faith if this be insanity, then for the love of God permit me to remain insane." Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, who was a key figure in the experiments, was also known to be a Satanist. I may have found an Imperial Wizard worth checking into. Bill Albers, Imperial Wizard in Modesto, CA, who was arrested in 1987... articles.latimes.com/1987-01-07/news/mn-2262_1_counterfeit-moneyHe was 41 at the time of the article, so his DOB would have been 1936, give or take a year. Albers is a barrel chested, stocky guy. He has had a beard in every photo I have seen of him and I don't think he ever had a crew-cut, but if this theory is correct then he wouldn't be Zodiac anyways. If he is the correct Imperial Wizard, then who knows what that could lead to. Also, Albers was an associate of Richard Butler of the Aryan Nation, and we already know of Butler's ties to the Minutemen.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 21, 2019 21:39:11 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Oct 26, 2019 12:41:09 GMT -8
I just had a thought ....
30 was Personal Ads Section of this paper where the article was.
Someone needs to go find the REAL ESTATE AD section and scroll through that and see if anything about the PARTNER is in that section then go look under that "next" and see if there is anything sounding like Zodiac Communication.
If someone can find and post the REAL ESTATE section here, or on a thread, or just give a link. I'll look at it.
It also would be very wise to take a look at COINTELPRO . I don't want to get into the specifics of that in this thread, But if you start a thread for COINTELPRO, I'd be more than happy to discuss that who operation and what it might have to do with The Zodiac. There is a LOT to be known concerning COINTELPRO. I'm not sure people realize just what all they were doing and who might have been involved.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 23:19:45 GMT -8
That is a great idea! If Zodiac responded, maybe it was in the Real Estate section. I would imagine it would have been at least a few days after this ad though. My personal thought is that Zodiac was either dead or no longer in the area and probably did not even see this ad, but who knows.
The COINTELPRO shit was very very shady! There was some discussion about that on my old site and a couple of people posted some theories that the "normal" message boards would call insane. There were some names thrown out there such as Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz's father. I forget who else, but it was interesting for sure. I think it is possible that this may have even went as far up as that criminal Richard Nixon, who became president right as the Zodiac stuff was starting.
I posted elsewhere that the FBI and CIA were infiltrating radical organizations and some of these agents even became leaders in some groups. The Minutemen had a few leaders that were government agents, I know that for sure. And I think in turn, they even got a couple Minutemen into the FBI and/or CIA. The 60's were crazy times! You had people running around the country doing all kinds or crazy shit and the government agencies were pretty much doing the same. As to what COINTELPRO may have had to do with the Zodiac case specifically, I have heard some cool theories and definitely would like to hear yours.
I hope what I am typing makes sense. I'm at work and typing a little bit at a time when I get ac hance, so I am losing my train of thought after typing a few words haha.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 23:21:10 GMT -8
Also interesting is that COINTELPRO supposedly ended around the time the Zodiac "went quiet."
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Post by grasshopper on Oct 27, 2019 1:52:02 GMT -8
COINTELPRO that reminds me of that orange theory from youtube Remember that Ophion? Let me see if i can find it again
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Post by grasshopper on Oct 27, 2019 1:57:47 GMT -8
Can't find it The user may have taken it down But the general idea was that a group of high profile cats were responsible for alot of killings and different crimes like the anthrax lettrs I forget what else but it was an interesting theory
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 14:59:46 GMT -8
I am really think that the feds were communicating back and forth with The Zodiac all the time, a LOT more than we know. I have seen several news ads in the paper about The Zodiac that seem more like messages to The Zodiac than they do just a normal article on the killer.
I think they were in contact with one another all the time, and I think they were not really saying what they were meaning. I'll explain more of that later
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 28, 2019 21:54:26 GMT -8
The ads like the one that is the topic of this thread were definitely in code. There is no doubt about that. But the intended receiver of the message would know what it meant. I have read about other coded communications via personal ads, but have not really seen any of them. I wish there was a website dedicated to this where people could examine mysterious ads like that. I'm sure something like that would take forever to set up though. Just going through thousands of newspapers and finding any ad that looks coded would be in a pain in the ass.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 1, 2019 21:21:28 GMT -8
The ads like the one that is the topic of this thread were definitely in code. There is no doubt about that. But the intended receiver of the message would know what it meant. I have read about other coded communications via personal ads, but have not really seen any of them. I wish there was a website dedicated to this where people could examine mysterious ads like that. I'm sure something like that would take forever to set up though. Just going through thousands of newspapers and finding any ad that looks coded would be in a pain in the ass. __________ yes it would definitely be a pain in the ass, but I do believe that the feds were definitely coding back through the paper. How else are they going to "talk" back to him? Or... if those messages were really meant for someone else, then the "someone else" is going to be coding back... I'll try, little by little, to gather up zodiac articles to see which ones are coding . back to Z and what they might be saying. The feds definitely answered back to BTK in the news ads, so it will not be past them to do the same with Z; even moreso I would think. It is my thought that some of the normal zodiac articles by the paper are coded as suggested by the feds. I have seen things in some of the regular articles on the zodiac case, that seem to be coding back to Z. It might take me awhile but I'll gather them up and point out anything I see
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Post by amazingates on Nov 2, 2019 10:06:25 GMT -8
Can anyone tell what that actually says on the Bowers XMAS card? and is that a boughten card or is that just stationary with that snowman drawn on there? and where is was sent from. Maybe I can blow it up and see; I'll try.
Do we have a date on the bowers card? wish we knew who it was sent to...
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Post by amazingates on Nov 2, 2019 10:52:44 GMT -8
I'm not sure what this might have to do with anything, but there is a lot of info I see in here that might come in handy later, so I'll put it here.
Now this might be weird but here are some of the things that are jumping out at me. 1951 Harry T Moore (I had been looking for anything that mentioned the name of MOORE because I thought PERHAPS the Bates letter of There will be more, might be MOORE connected)
1951-52... 40 bombings of Black Families - some like MOORE
BURNED crosses
1964 Cointelpro is disrupting the Klan ( and also the weatherman) Cointelpro using infiltration, disinformation, and violence ( actually they were killing people also)
KKK kills Viola Fauver Luizzo (White civil rights Activist March 25, 1965) was a Unitarian Universalist civil rights activist from Michigan. (Read more in next post on her) Less than two weeks after her death, a charred cross was found in front of four Detroit homes, including the Liuzzo residence.
1971 bomb 10 school busses in michigan. ___________
This is from Wiki In addition to these murders, Klan groups also killed a number of others during this time period, with many of these acts going unreported. For example, in 1951 Harry T. Moore, a school-teacher and state director of the NAACP, died with his wife, Harriette, when their house was bombed. Even though an FBI investigation at the time turned up several suspects, no one was prosecuted in the case. "Forty years later, a former Marine and Ku Klux Klansman told NAACP officials that he and other Klansmen had conspired with law enforcement officials to plan and carry out the murder.... According to a subsequent report from the Southern Regional Council in Atlanta, the homes of forty black Southern families were bombed during 1951 and 1952. Some, like Harry Moore, were social activists whose work exposed them to danger, but most were either people who had refused to bow to racist convention, or were simply innocent bystanders, unsuspecting victims of random white terrorism."
However, while the post-war Klan groups were extremely violent, this was also the period that saw a successful push back against the KKK. For example, in a 1958 North Carolina incident, the Klan burned crosses at the homes of two Lumbee Native Americans who had associated with white people, and then held a nighttime rally nearby, only to find themselves surrounded by hundreds of armed Lumbees. Gunfire was exchanged, and the Klan was routed.
Violence at a Klan march in Mobile, Alabama, 1977
Violence at a Klan march in Mobile, Alabama, 1977 In 1964, the FBI's COINTELPRO-WHITE HATE program infiltrated and disrupted the Klans. Yet COINTELPRO also occupied a curiously ambiguous position in the civil rights movement, since it used its tactics of infiltration, disinformation, and violence not only against violent far-left and far-right groups such as the Klan and the Weathermen, but simultaneously against peaceful organizations such as Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Southern Christian Leadership Conference. This ambivalence was shown dramatically in the case of the murder of Liuzzo, who was shot on the road by four Klansmen in a car, of whom one was an FBI informant. After she was murdered, the FBI spread false rumors that she was a communist, and that she had abandoned her children in order to have sex with black civil rights workers. Regardless of the FBI's ambivalence, Jerry Thompson, a newspaper reporter who infiltrated the Klan in 1979, reported that COINTELPRO's efforts had been highly successful in disrupting the Klan. Rival Klan factions both accused each other's leaders of being FBI informants, and one leader, Bill Wilkinson of the Invisible Empire, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was in fact later revealed to have been working for the FBI.
Once the century-long struggle over black voting rights in the South had ended, the Klans shifted their focus to other issues, including affirmative action, immigration, and especially busing ordered by the courts in order to desegregate schools. In 1971, Klansmen used bombs to destroy ten school buses in Pontiac, Michigan, and charismatic Klansman David Duke was active in South Boston during the school busing crisis of 1974. Duke also made efforts to update its image, urging Klansmen to "get out of the cow pasture and into hotel meeting rooms." Duke was leader of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan from 1974 until he resigned from the Klan in 1978. In 1980, he formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People, a white nationalist political organization. He was elected to the Louisiana State House of Representatives in 1989 as a Republican, even though the party threw its support to a different Republican candidate.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 2, 2019 10:55:33 GMT -8
Viola Fauver Luizzo (White civil rights Activist March 25, 1965) was a Unitarian Universalist civil rights activist from Michigan. In March 1965 Liuzzo, then a housewife and mother of five with a history of local activism, heeded the call of Martin Luther King Jr and traveled from Detroit, Michigan, to Selma, Alabama in the wake of the Bloody Sunday attempt at marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Liuzzo participated in the successful Selma to Montgomery marches and helped with coordination and logistics. Driving back from a trip shuttling fellow activists to the Montgomery airport, she was murdered by members of the Ku Klux Klan. She was 39 years old. One of the four Klansmen in the car from which the shots were fired was Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) informant Gary Thomas Rowe. Rowe testified against the shooters and was given witness protection by the FBI.The FBI immediately began a smear campaign leaking to the press what were purported to be salacious details about Liuzzo. The FBI attempted to downplay the situation and discredit Liuzzo by spreading rumors that she was a member of the Communist Party, was a heroin addict, and had abandoned her children to have sexual relationships with African-Americans involved in the Civil Rights Movement. All of these rumors were entirely false, and were wholely fabricated by the FBIAfter the third march concluded on March 25, Liuzzo, assisted by Leroy Moton, a 19-year-old African American, continued shuttling marchers and volunteers from Montgomery back to Selma in her car. As they were driving along Route 80, a car tried to force them off the road. After dropping passengers in Selma, she and Moton headed back to Montgomery. As they were getting gas at a local filling station, they were subject to abusive calls and racist scorn. When Liuzzo stopped at a red light, a car with four members of the local Ku Klux Klan pulled up alongside her. When they saw a white woman and a black man in a car together, they followed Liuzzo as she tried to outrun them. Overtaking the Oldsmobile, they shot directly at Liuzzo, mortally wounding her twice in the head. The car veered into a ditch, crashing into a fence. Although Moton was covered with blood, the bullets missed him. He lay motionless when the Klansmen reached the car to check on their victims. After the Klansmen left, Moton began searching for help, and eventually flagged down a truck driven by Rev. Leon Riley. Like Moton and Liuzzo, Riley was shuttling civil rights workers back to Selma. Liuzzo's funeral was held at Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Church on March 30 in Detroit, with many prominent members of both the civil rights movement and government there to pay their respects. Included in this group were Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; NAACP executive director Roy Wilkins; Congress on Racial Equality national leader James Farmer; Michigan lieutenant governor William G. Milliken; Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa; and United Auto Workers president Walter Reuther. She was buried at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Southfield, Michigan. Less than two weeks after her death, a charred cross was found in front of four Detroit homes, including the Liuzzo residence.The four Klan members in the car, Collie Wilkins (21), FBI informant Gary Rowe (34), William Eaton (41) and Eugene Thomas (42) were quickly arrested; within 24 hours, President Lyndon Johnson appeared on national television to announce their arrest. In order to avoid bad press, President Johnson made sure to focus on the positive work of the FBI agents' solving of the murder of Viola Liuzzo, in an attempt to divert scrutiny away from the fact that one of the men in the car, Gary Thomas Rowe, Jr., was an FBI informant and therefore protected by the FBI.Alabama mistrial and acquittal Wilkins, Eaton, and Thomas were indicted in the State of Alabama for Liuzzo's death on April 22. FBI informant Rowe was not indicted and served as a witness. Rowe testified that Wilkins had fired two shots on the order of Thomas. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Liuzzo
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Post by amazingates on Nov 2, 2019 11:23:39 GMT -8
soooo, what i am seeing above in the info in the previous 2 posts above this one... is this...
Let's think about the kkk. ok what if the imperial wizard really is the imperial wizard of the KKK in that news article in the personal ads..... then who would be writing the ad? And who exactly "IS" Zodiac they are addressing in the ad? one person, two, a whole bunch of who? the KLAN? ONE klan member who is killing these people? or who? and then who would RA be if this is Klan related... What is there to do with the Klan that would have the intials R.A. it that a name of a person, or is that reference to part of the klan, a Title, or a specific order, or what?
Then if we look at the personal ad as though it really is Klan related, and though it really is Zodiac the killer of the people in California, known as the KNOWN Z victims in the Z case, then why would the Klan choose to kill these young WHITE kids... was it because they were sympathetic to other races as Luizzo was..she was white and they killer her for being and activist and being with and helping black people. so did any of the known Z victims in the case have ties to other races? were they helping other races?
Then what about these missing people who are connected to MAZE Rd/ 132 coming out of modesto ca? Were these girls coming out of the Black Area of modesto which is exactly right there at Maze where one was missing from and the other found? or were they right there on Maze road in that area, coming from one place to another and shortcutted through black town to the west side on the other side of Paradise road? most likely as I don't think these two girls would be over in black town. No one went there. That, back then was a no-no. So if you were white and seen over in that area, you would catch hell not only from white people but the blacks would chase you down in that area and run you over, if you did not hang out with them. This was commonly known. but if you did not cut through that road over to maze, you had to go the long way around. Most people went the long way around. if you got down in there and "boxed in" you were in a world of hell. So you stayed out of there. Especially, if you were from the South Side, which Joe Stine was. but he certainly could have been talking with them all of the time being he worked at that gas station right there, and being the panthers were right down the road a few blocks and being the Black Area was right across paradise the other way a few blocks. Everything was very segregated at the time. so I don't know if this has anything at all to do with anything, but in this scenario if we are looking at the Klan, it might have something to do with a lot of things
and what about Joe stine and his working just down the street from the Black Panther house, and on the same street as the road that runs directly from the maze 132 where the girl was missing and the dead girl found, and that is the very same road that crosses paradise and runs from maze directly in front of the gas station where joe stine worked. Was Joe stine being nice to the Blacks in the area because of the gas station being right there and he had to be nice because he worked there? were the blacks frequenting that gas station (well I can answer that for sure, yes they were)... were the black panthers at that gas station... could be, it was the nearest station to the black panther house about 3 blocks down the road. Most of this stuff is not even known...but I personally know it. In fact I had a good friend I grew up with who started running around with the Black people right there and one day I stopped to talk to her on the street right across from that gas station, and I certainly got told about it and not to do it again. After that if I wanted to see her I had to pick her up somewhere and leave town and go to the mountains just to visit with her for the day, then drop her off on the other part of town and not let anyone see her in my car. It was THAT bad then. And she was a white girl, but I was told not to be seen talking to her anymore. I don't think people realize just how bad it was there then.
and think about this for a minute... Kathleen Johns is traveling. lf you want gas before you go out desolated 132 and over to the bay area, you might want to stop and get gas in Modesto before going on...if you did you might end up right there at maze and what use to be franklin(but now is called martin luther king road). If you end up turning in there or being right by there to get gas, you could be seen coming out of the BLACK area and someone thing you are white, hanging out in there. Same with Pattie Popejoy missing from over on the other side of the street right there at maze, she could have been cutting through to westside. why I have no idea, I'm sure she would not have, but she might have been coming out a few street north were she was last seen and be standing out there on Maze right there. Pattie's body was found in the delta mendota 1971 right out by where kj was pulled over kind of but out there where maze ends up way out there by KJ kidnapping. And also where Mary Willey's body was found in delta mendota. And the other girl found in the vineyard right there on maze a few blocks from the Black area street off maze.
So another question is... was Paul Stine ever coming out of the shortcut from the gas station where his brother worked, and cutting through Black Area to get to Maze and go on over to bay area. That was the only way to do then. Was Paul stine seen at the corner of Maze and franklin, coming out of the short cut? Was Paul stine writing things sympathetic to Black people?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 2, 2019 11:52:19 GMT -8
And did the person the ad is addressing, doing something the Klan is opposing and they are giving him a message to surrender to the Imperial Wizard. Maybe some of the klan is mad at him. maybe they are going to KILL HIM now. Maybe he had turned against them.
Or could the R.A. be part of the Cointelpro and Zodiac Killer (if one person, or even in a group) went renegade on them? what if they were out killing for the cointelpro operation and went rogue? They certainly could not have this person telling on them, they would have to hunt this person down and shut him the hell up. Maybe this person or person might have been part of the cointelpro and got mad and went rogue and started killing off white people instead of who they were recruited to kill?
and what is all this EXTORTION...?? why is this an Extortion case and not just a murder case by some whacko killer? they don't label other murder cases and sk killer cases as Extortion cases... so was zodiac Extorting money from the cointelpro or he would start telling what happened, and when they would not give him money he just went and killed someone else so it would go out in the news... why send the messages to the news and not directly to the police? because he wanted everyone to know what was going on... He had a little list... maybe that list was actually to do with the the Corrupt CROOKED and TWISTED "shoes" and "cues" ?
Maybe Paul Stine had info from this person/persons... maybe the cointelpro shot stine, and not zodiac... maybe that was all a farce? Remember they first said the killer was Black... then they said white... and the cops let him walk away. and the other cop is going the wrong way. Was it really that "barney-fifed" up? or was it all a total huge lie, and cointelpro or some other operation(operation Zodiac) was involved.
so many possibilities... but brainstorming is what finds answers
I mean look back up at the posts right before this... Even the PRESIDENT is covering up for Rowe Fbi informant by bashing and lying about Luizzo and covering up the klan killing her and the FBI involved in the whole mess. If they will do that, they will kill and lie about anyone and just MAKE up the whole Zodiac killer when it is really one of them who might have went renegade on them.
and while we are at it... let's look at the word EDITOR... now if you actually new what this was all about and you knew who all was involved... wouldn't look like he is really addressing DETROIT... I'll have to think about that... but think about detroit michigan involved in all this mess.
I'm going to go find out who R.A. is. If he is not the Raider... and he might still very well be, but let's see if there is something with R.A. involved with detroit, cointelpro and the klan
I have a feeling the cointelpro was recruiting a lot of special force people to go out and carry out OPERATION ZODIAC. And if this is true, then there definitely was more than one person they recruited to carry this out. And so...did one of them, or a few of them together, go ghost? oh they might have. And the Extortion begins.
Tie this all in with the higher ups and the gov and kenndy etc, and yes, it makes sense.
Please Rush To Editor.... rusho .... detroit... please hours detroit... hours..rusho... shour .... rush = . hurry, run, speed up, accelerate, but it has to have the O, and you have to CRACK it. hours= time? hour is another word for MINUTE . also CRACK
please = make happy.... elect to do.... please can also mean KILL ... .fill the bill...
Kill minutes detroit . ?? fill the bill/minutes/detroit.... fill the bill/time/detroit(time to fill the bill detroit) ok that makes sense with render up in the coding of the ad... bill = invoice = render= pay.
so what in the heck does DETROIT have to do with all of this.. well it has everything to do with it... there is our MICHIGAN connection to all of these crazy military SK's with ties to Michigan. and look at this back up there connected to the cointelpro: KKK kills Viola Fauver Luizzo (White civil rights Activist March 25, 1965) was a Unitarian Universalist civil rights activist from Michigan. (Read more in next post on her) Less than two weeks after her death, a charred cross was found in front of four Detroit homes, including the Liuzzo residence.
The black panthers were HUGE in detroit at that time. The KKK was also. So many of the the crazy sk's who were out of the military were connected to Michigan. The Zodiac was there. Dennis Rader/BTK was tied there. And there is a lot MORE.
So maybe R.A. really is a Raider after all. What kind of RAIDER is he? I thought he was part of a special military group called Raiders. And might be.... but..hmmm.... I better keep digging...
oh wow... this has nothing at all to do with this case... but it just hit me just now what BTK meant when he said... "The Sexual Thrill Is My Bill". hahahah. omg
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 3, 2019 4:01:38 GMT -8
I will read through your last few posts and reply later tonight, but I would like to say that I really don't think the KKK had anything to do with the Zodiac case. But with the "Imperial Wizard" showing up in that ad, it should be explored. I think The Imperial Wizard the ad refers to is not KKK, but maybe a CIA agent or someone with some power.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 3, 2019 13:00:41 GMT -8
I will read through your last few posts and reply later tonight, but I would like to say that I really don't think the KKK had anything to do with the Zodiac case. But with the "Imperial Wizard" showing up in that ad, it should be explored. I think The Imperial Wizard the ad refers to is not KKK, but maybe a CIA agent or someone with some power. ______________ I always like to go through all the scenarios, and being Imperial Wizard seems to most people to mean the KKK, I looked at it in THAT manner... but for me personally. I'm still with the Imperial Wizard... = Royal Wizard... and that is the psyche doc for the marines/recon/amphibious units...check it out... those psyches are called wizards. This was my first thought when I looked at all of this the first time. but there is also an encoded extortion for money in that as well. I'll have to take the time to show you how I decoded that. I wish someone knew the dang code to work these things, so others can see what this stuff is saying. The closest I can get you to the code key is Nations. I'll try to explain that, but it takes a long time because there are so many rules.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 3, 2019 20:46:20 GMT -8
I was wondering if maybe a psychiatrist involved with the MK Ultra experiments could have maybe been called an Imperial Wizard as well. I spent a lot of time looking into that and came up empty.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 14:04:42 GMT -8
I was wondering if maybe a psychiatrist involved with the MK Ultra experiments could have maybe been called an Imperial Wizard as well. I spent a lot of time looking into that and came up empty. _________ hmmm it is very possible that MK ULTRA might have called their psyches imperial wizards. I don't know. but they obviously had to have psyches that were "acting as wizards" ... I thought that the IMPERIAL part would be decoded as ROYAL. therefore I thought it was probably military. epecially, in line with the R. A. which is Raider of the recon operations. but there could be something else goes on that would fit as well. I'll go through that again with any "words" you think might fit and see if we can get a CHECK on it. Again, there are rules in decoding this stuff, and we have to always have two parts in the equation that equals out on each side. the thing about the persons writing these codes, they already know their "subject" matter, so for them it is easy to find the checks... on the other hand because we have not yet figured out WHAT these people are, we don't really have a definite subject matter already in place.... so if MK ULTRA, there might be something in their key words that might also fit...but we HAVE to have the checks. I am going to have to teach you the rules of the code at some point if you have time. You have to understand this stuff to know what I'm trying to explain, otherwise I just sound bonkers lol.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 14:10:25 GMT -8
go here and start reading on page 15... this talks about the military Wizards www.militarypsych.org/uploads/8/5/4/5/85456500/military_psychologist_29-2.pdfthere is a lot more to read there, but here is some of it O ver the years I have observed many creative terms for military psychologists. Some are funny and adapted to the way the military names everyone. PsychO is a good depiction of this. On Navy ships the titles of various officers are shortened, so the operations officer becomes the OpsO, the weapons systems officer becomes the Wizzo, so it only makes sense that the psychology officer becomes the PsychO. These “terms of endearment” slip easily off the sailor’s tongue, but make policy makers addressing destigmatization uneasy. A shrink on board does not sound suitably helpful when abbreviated. While different services and workplaces have their own terms, there is one in widespread use that crosses all of the branches of service: The Wizard. Date of coinage is unknown, but the meaning is seemingly clear. The Wizard can use his or her powers to make people disappear—from their commands and from the service in general. For service members who no longer want to be in the military, the belief is that The Wizard can get you sent home, without having to kill a witch, steal some shoes, and click that pair of ruby slippers three times. And while The Wizard connotation at first seems stigmatizing and derogatory, not everything is as it appears.Just like in Oz or Middle-earth, there are good wizards and bad wizards. My first introduction to the concept of a “good” Wizard was at a holiday dinner early in my military career. It was a military Thanksgiving, at one of those overseas dinners where you temporarily create a new family out of random friends and strangers in order to celebrate the holiday with some semblance of normalcy. I was sitting next to a marine and normal conversation ensued, as in “What do you do?” After I told him I was a psychologist, he said, “The Wizard just helped one of my friends who was having problems after Iraq.” What’s this? I thought. Marines believe The Wizard can use magical powers for good? Up until that point, I had not put two and two together to come up with the notion that wizards might be perceived to have more powers than making people disappear. A good wizard fixes people.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 4, 2019 23:06:44 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 18:11:27 GMT -8
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