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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 22, 2019 0:42:35 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 1:29:18 GMT -8
If this is accurate, what a find! I never particularly liked Dennis Rader as a Zodiac suspect, but this is interesting and warrants further investigation. If you compare this "solve" to the Zodiac Halloween card, it matches up perfectly. Notice that PARADICE and SLAVES cross over exactly the same way. This is crazy if you ask me and I think there is a really strong chance that this is legit. What I am wondering is if there is more to it. Meaning, outside of that 9x9 grid... does the rest of the cipher contain a message or messages? I'm going to start messing around with that and see if I can come up with anything.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 1:32:55 GMT -8
One other thought... they way that SLAVES crosses PARADICE and makes it PAR A DICE if you break it up. Like a pair of dice. This is one of Randall Clemons' ideas, and he made some dice on the 340 that he worked into an overlay with the Phillips 66 map that was very cool. I'll see if I can talk Randall into posting on here an if not then I will post his work with the "connect the dots" theory and everything. If this Rader "solve" is correct, I am hoping that there is more layers and more to be found, not only in the 340 but in other Zodiac mailings.
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 7, 2019 0:06:20 GMT -8
I have an idea on this The words are out of place by fire is bottom left instead of the top left by knife is top right instead of bottom left by gun is in its correct spot in the top right but also appears in the top left by rope shows up twice both being in the correct spot in the bottom right What if this is a clue to something Maybe its a way to read the rest of the cipher Ophion you mentioned there might be more clues if you take the 9x9 grid out of the cipher and a different code key is used on the rest of it I dont know how but maybe what I just posted is some way to figure that out Look at how the E in rope connects in the corner of the grid ROPE goes along the very bottom and the right side of the bottom right square of the grid Maybe that is saying that that particular square is to be left alone by fire is to point downwards by knife is to go up and to the right at an angle by gun stays out and also goes directly to the left so I dont know the clue there. Maybe just to go left So you get this shape
Does this mean anything to anyone?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 1:23:58 GMT -8
I'll have to hurry up and get my boxes of stuff out of storage. I'll try to go in the next day or two. I have to find my boxes of Zodiac stuff I've worked on over the years and the Dennis Rader stuff I have(quite a lot). One of the things in there is the puzzle of Dennis Rader where I found another layer to that puzzle back . about 2006. When I worked the second layer, right in the very center of it, was the word Zodiac, dead in the center with the letters in perfect sequence. I thought that was really weird, and now with RADER in this one, it is even more weird.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 7, 2019 1:47:05 GMT -8
I have an idea. Not a very good one but I'll throw it out there anyways... Maybe the point of the SLA letter was that SLA = KILL. So if this "solve" is correct, you would take the three symbols that make up the SLA in SLAVES and change them to KIL and then add an L to the next symbol. Does that make sense? Probably not haha.
I plugged that into the 340 webtoy and that got me nowhere.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 1:50:36 GMT -8
I have an idea on this The words are out of place by fire is bottom left instead of the top left by knife is top right instead of bottom left by gun is in its correct spot in the top right but also appears in the top left by rope shows up twice both being in the correct spot in the bottom right What if this is a clue to something Maybe its a way to read the rest of the cipher Ophion you mentioned there might be more clues if you take the 9x9 grid out of the cipher and a different code key is used on the rest of it I dont know how but maybe what I just posted is some way to figure that out Look at how the E in rope connects in the corner of the grid ROPE goes along the very bottom and the right side of the bottom right square of the grid Maybe that is saying that that particular square is to be left alone by fire is to point downwards by knife is to go up and to the right at an angle by gun stays out and also goes directly to the left so I dont know the clue there. Maybe just to go left So you get this shape
Does this mean anything to anyone?
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That is a RIGHT ANGLE flipped upside down (geometry)... why is it upside down... and you said some things are also "out of place" on the graph. This very well might be something. We need to get a math person over here to help us... someone who is familiar with geometry and possibly trig also... I'm not that good to know what that means, but I know what it is. I just don't know what to do with it. it is definitely a RIGHT ANGLE in geometry, but why flipped upside down, I don't know.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 7, 2019 1:53:11 GMT -8
I'll have to hurry up and get my boxes of stuff out of storage. I'll try to go in the next day or two. I have to find my boxes of Zodiac stuff I've worked on over the years and the Dennis Rader stuff I have(quite a lot). One of the things in there is the puzzle of Dennis Rader where I found another layer to that puzzle back . about 2006. When I worked the second layer, right in the very center of it, was the word Zodiac, dead in the center with the letters in perfect sequence. I thought that was really weird, and now with RADER in this one, it is even more weird. Seems to me like maybe he was sending you a clue to find his name in the 340 cipher!
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 1:54:36 GMT -8
hmmm just had a thought... ok if the words on bottom of the card are on top on the graph, then that is also upside down as far as "placement" location goes... and now your RIGHT ANGLE is "flipped" "upside down"... maybe the whole graph is upside down? or the overlay needs to "flip" unside down? I don't know. whoever put that graph overlay on that graph needs to be told and see if they can make sense out of this. it might just be a fluke but then again maybe it isn't.
UPDATE;
grasshopper that is a fiipped upside down RIGHT ANGLE and it is dividing the square diagonally. it is enclosing the words. it is coming exactly right down the letters SLA (coming diagonally against it) RADER, by knife, by gun, YUBA are all enclosed inside that RIGHT ANGLE ... with the word LAP outside next to it. LAP is Pal, and Zodiac interchanges those words all the time in his messages... LAP means to GO AROUND, and that is exactly what your flipped RIGHT ANGLE is doing, it is going around that part of the puzzle and enclosing those words. It also makes sense with the SLA message code. Read more about all this in the following posts i made on this thread
the SLA message is signed - a friend - friend = pal = lap(Zodiac interchanges PAL and LAP all the time, very common... LAP= to go around... so your flipped RIGHT ANGLE is lapping, going around the part that he wants us to see....
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 1:58:41 GMT -8
I'll have to hurry up and get my boxes of stuff out of storage. I'll try to go in the next day or two. I have to find my boxes of Zodiac stuff I've worked on over the years and the Dennis Rader stuff I have(quite a lot). One of the things in there is the puzzle of Dennis Rader where I found another layer to that puzzle back . about 2006. When I worked the second layer, right in the very center of it, was the word Zodiac, dead in the center with the letters in perfect sequence. I thought that was really weird, and now with RADER in this one, it is even more weird. Seems to me like maybe he was sending you a clue to find his name in the 340 cipher! -------- That was not something he sent to me, it was his puzzle the feds had and when they solved it they only did a surface solve, I found another layer. it was his word search easy puzzle. It's been so long ago I can't remember but I'm sure it was the search a word puzzle he sent to the police... also what I notice in this first post and where some words show up and all that gobbly gook around them, that is the same style as rader's search a word puzzle. it had words with gobbly gook all around it. then it had another layer, and in the other layer is where it comes up with the word zodiac. someone had screen shot the original puzzle off the tv when it was running in the background and it was not blocked off in a graph. I think I remember I stuck it in a graph and evened it out, or maybe I took the piano stuff and put it in a graph like that, gee, I can't remember what I did now...but it worked, and when I got to looking at the center the word Zodiac was dead in the middle. It might have been in the piano puzzle that had the second layer, it's been a long time. I'll go get that stuff out of storage and get my papers with the worked out solution and get it on the board here.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 2:20:52 GMT -8
I have an idea. Not a very good one but I'll throw it out there anyways... Maybe the point of the SLA letter was that SLA = KILL. So if this "solve" os correct, you would take the three symbols that make up the SLA in SLAVES and change them to KIL and then add an L to the next symbol. Does that make sense? Probably not haha. I plugged that into the 340 webtoy and that got me nowhere. ___________________- I really think our problem is, all of the communcations are clues, but we don't have them all, and so we don't know what to do with what we do have. At this point we just have to guess at a lot of it, so we just keep guessing and no matter how weird, stupid, dumb, crazy or whatever it might seem to be, it might be the very things zodiac wants done, we just are missing half the pieces and the instructions. I do believe zodiac gave instructions, we just don't have them. ugh. let me go try to look at the SLA letter again, and see if I notice any instructions in there. I've noticed a lot of things about the SLAVES ... LAV..rader us to use the symbol for LAV and scribble it in his drawings.. that and stupid crazy stuff like blub blub a bunch of sybols in drawing for hebrew and greek words. LAV was one. also if you look at the envelope with Paul Averly, you will see that he underlines the L in paul, on across running the line on under AV... making the whole LAV part underlined. And he spells averly wrong . so there is definitely something up with LAV. there are two things I know for LAV, there could be more... LAV is the root word for WASH... and here is the other . The LAV-25 (Light Armored Vehicle) is an eight-wheeled amphibious armored reconnaissance vehicle used by the United States Marine Corps, United States Army, and the Canadian Army. I don't know the dates these came out... it might have come out after z wrote this we should check
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 7, 2019 3:40:40 GMT -8
I have an idea on this The words are out of place by fire is bottom left instead of the top left by knife is top right instead of bottom left by gun is in its correct spot in the top right but also appears in the top left by rope shows up twice both being in the correct spot in the bottom right What if this is a clue to something Maybe its a way to read the rest of the cipher Ophion you mentioned there might be more clues if you take the 9x9 grid out of the cipher and a different code key is used on the rest of it I dont know how but maybe what I just posted is some way to figure that out Look at how the E in rope connects in the corner of the grid ROPE goes along the very bottom and the right side of the bottom right square of the grid Maybe that is saying that that particular square is to be left alone by fire is to point downwards by knife is to go up and to the right at an angle by gun stays out and also goes directly to the left so I dont know the clue there. Maybe just to go left So you get this shape Does this mean anything to anyone?
Hmm that is interesting. I see what you're saying. Maybe that is the direction that you go in to read the remaining part of the cipher after taking out the 9x9 box?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 4:35:30 GMT -8
UPDATE: The END SOLUTION in this post is BASED UPON the "variable" that "john Roses work is correct".
if his work is not correct, then we have to apply the instructions to the "original" Cross / Slaves / Paradise puzzle "without" putting the puzzle on the 340 (and we will have a different END SOLUTION.... BUT THE "INSTRUCTIONS" WILL STILL BE THE SAME.
okay, MY WORK is on the SLA Message letter, it has nothing to do with the work of John Rose and the concept of putting the Cross/slaves/paradise puzzle on top of the 340 and changing the letters of the 340... So "THIS" END SOLUTION( in THIS post) is based on the variable of John Roses work being correct. What we are really doing here is TIME_BINDING on John Roses work. If his work is correct then the end solution will be correct. If John Roses work is incorrect, then we have to take the instructions from the SLA message and go back and apply these instructions to the ORIGINAL Cross/slaves/paradice puzzle without putting it over on the 340 and changing the letters. The instructions will be the same, but not the outcome of the changed letters in John Roses work. I AM ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THE SLA MESSAGE IS THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE "SLAVES" word... and the only place so far we are seeing that is in the Cross/slaves/paradice puzzle. ___________________________- ok I'm looking at the SLA letter while I'm writing this. let me tell you what I see in the SLA letter it might be some instructions to the SLAVES part. let me take out the key words to try to make this easy for you to understand, then I have to go through all these words and find CHECKS to get the right ones. but first here are some or the words to try to work with to understand what the SLA letter is saying. it is a set of instructions for something, I'm pretty sure of that. ok I just got this all out here and these are instructions about something to do with cutting off letters, wiping them out, pointing to them, possibly the UNLINE on the envelope, something to do with the letters S L A . we are suppose to cut something out, and figure out the SLA. something is POINTING to something. we are suppose to put together something. and what is "bottom line" now I have to find the CHECKS to get the right words and make this work... this is definitely instructions on how to work something to do with the SLAVES area... is the slaves the only area on anything we find SLA letters? KNOW - understand information, see, apprehend, fathom, be informed, be versed, be schooled, feel certain, noticeINITIALS - mark, impress, seal, X, blot, blotch, brand, ink, label, letter, point, scratch, smudge, stamp, trace, underline, write, streak SLAY - kill, butcher, exterminate, do, down, erase, finish, cut off, do away with, knock off, rub out SPELL - add up to, imply, mean, point to, import, imply, denote, express, herald ( is this a newspaper?), augur ( foretell, prophesy, figure out, read, foreshadow, predict, an omen give rest, relief, breathe, allow, relieve, lay off, stand in for, take over, take the place ofSLA - what the heck is SLA... it has to be the something in the SLAVES... AN OLD - Phonics . annulled , void, kill, erase, blot out, wipe out, nullify.NORSE - snore senor soner rones noser reson, scandinavia farmer warrior viking ( I can't figure this out) old norse - norsemen (northman) pirate ( pi rate ?), sworn men, trader (this might mean north, I don't know)if north you woud GO UP just noticed something. because there is RADER in the puzzle, TRADER is jumping out, but I don't find anything that says to take off the T. so that probably is not right MEANING - context, hint, interpretation, understanding, drift, heart, import, point, thrust, upshot, use, bottom line, name of game, KILL - slay, assassinate, wipe out, erase, drown, dispatch, finish, hang, off, x-out, do away with, do in, put away, rub out. FRIEND - fry end, ally, partner, familiar, pal, spare, mate( to put together, playmate, sidekick(hmm what does this mean)partner = to put together? part n er / part = to cut Pal = lap, to go around. ( this is pretty common with his stuff)
It is 4am , I have to go to sleep I'll work on this tomorrow and find all the checks to make sure we have the right words. and see if this will even CHECK at all. It might not. But it looks like it will. If so we should be able to figure out what to do when we have the correct exact words that Make a Match
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ok so the check on ... Do you know the initials = letters... meaning is NOTICE = a letter, slay - cut off (the Y) = SLA
so you have the letters, the initials, SLA . which is SLAY with the Y killed off, removed, erased, blotted out etc.
so all of that makes perfect sense. notice = letter, (check) Slay... kill the Y...= SLA...which is again the letters SLA (initials SLA) (check)
so we know that we are absolutely dealing with the letters/initials SLA, that all checks out.
oh hmmm ... an old.... annulled = wipe out... Norse = north= UP TOP.. that is a clue for the first part... knock off the first part.
omg.. if we go north, up, and knock off the first part of a TRADER (norseman) we get RADER and it is RIGHT THERE, ON TOP NORTH OF SLA...
is this really right?
and the word PAL is right by rader, coming straight up, upside down. Now I'm not sure about this yet, but this is crazy. I have to find the exact checks to make sure. I'll go to sleep and finish this in the morning.
oh gee, and now Grasshoppers flipped unside down RIGHT ANGLE is making sense. it chops that whole thing in half diagonally, and comes exactly straight along cutting off the SLA part to separate the puzzle in half, exactly to where you have only the part with RADER UP on top of SLA , leaving the whole right side of the puzzle out of the RIGHT ANGLE box. this is insane.
and I already no para dice... dice = "he speaks"... and para means "beside" he speaks = this is the zodiac speaking.... and look right BESIDE and who is there... RADER.... crapola Holy Tomatoes Gertrude... is this all just freaking coincidence?
who REALLY wrote these messages and puzzles?
you know something, being RADER is in the zodiac puzzle and Zodiac is in RADER's puzzle(I'll try to go find that tomorrow in my storage) something really weird is going on here.
Do I believe dennis rader drove to cali and killed people, not really but maybe, I have a LOT of things I have not said, but it is possible he did. Dennis might be the dang letter writer. but then how would he get stine's shirt? oh well all this for another thread
UPDATE - here is my next thought... just because we have the WORD "RADER" . does not mean this is DENNIS RADER... it could just be the WORD 'RADER" and it means something else. we probably are thinking DENNIS RADER because BTK is so much like Zodiac in many way... btk also did these crazy puzzles mixed up inside of gobbly gook. and I have the BTK multi-layer solution to Dennis Raders puzzle that has Zodiac in the center of it, like this one has Rader in it... so that looks like it means RADER = DENNIS RADER.... but it might not be Dennis Rader... it might mean RAIDER... as in special forces Recon, which we keep seeing all over in all of the Zodiac stuff and especially in the DEEP REAL ESTATE personal newspaper ad. in that ad it is signed R.A. and I don't want to decode that all on this thread, but when I decoded that, the R. A. seems like RAIDER. I need to go through that all again and redo all my CHECKS and see if that has anything to do with the Cross/ slaves/Paradice or the 340. I didn't see it in there, but I did see military stuff with the R. A. Ra ID er...this is complicated I know, but this is how this code works.
but basically, I'm just saying that because we see the word RADER in the post, does not mean it has to be DENNIS RADER. and being the word YUBA is also inside that flipped RIGHT ANGLE Grasshopper came up with, and being YUBA hooks right on to the "A" in RADER in the puzzle, and being YUBA is where BEALE air force base is in CALI, this might be RADER / RAIDER having to do with something in YUBA cali, having to do with some of DENNIS RADER's family(he had family there) or it might have something to do with RAIDER military special ops recon stationed at Beale air force base...
now i know dennis rader had a couisn in that area of pretty dang close, maybe sacramento i forget. Dennis would come out and visit relatives he told me.
and then we have the old IKLP posts(around 2004/ before arrest of Dennis Rader in 2005) that stated "my cousin Zodiac is a little whore" (I'll have to explain that elsewhere. I know this sounds nuts, but could dennis rader and one of his cousins in cali, be in some kind of an SK game with each other. Dennis in KS and the other RADER in Cali? omg i sound nuts... just brainstorming here
Once I get to storage and get all of MY info out here, you'll understand what I am saying
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 5:09:05 GMT -8
gee I'm never going to get to sleep but I just noticed something else... coming down into that RIGHT ANGLE BOX is also the word YUBA which shares the A with rader.
Now I don't know if YUBA is just a fluke on here or what, but I also see BAY over on the left outside the RIGHT ANGLE...
are the words YUBA and BAY both flukes? If not, then what does that mean... BAY is pretty obvious but YUBA? why would YUBA be in there... YUBA is a county in CAli not far out of sacramento. there is also a YUBA CITY right there too. wait a minute that is where BEALE air force base is in marysville, CA YUBA county... let me go look that up to be sure.
it sure is...
Beale Air Force Base (AFB) (IATA: BAB, ICAO: KBAB, FAA LID: BAB) is a United States Air Force base located approximately 8 miles (13 km) east of Marysville, California. and marysville is in YUBA county.
he had a cousin somewhere around there or near sacramento, maybe rancho cordova?
I really need to get into my 2 old computers. tons of info in there
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 12:06:23 GMT -8
okay I got some sleep, and now I'm thinking. we HAVE to go back with these instructions from the SLA Message and also apply them to the ORIGINAL Cross/Slaves/Paradice puzzle in it's original context without putting in on top of the 340 and changing the letters. We have to TRY that ALSO and see what happens.
We also HAVE to ask John Rose to explain how he came up with "putting the Cross/Slaves/Paradice puzzle over on the 340 and changing the letters in the 340. If his work is correct, then we pretty much know for sure RADER has SOMETHING to do with this. If John Roses work is not correct, then we have to go back to the ORIGINAL Cross/slaves/paradice puzzle by itselft and try using the SLA message instructions on it by itself.
where is the link to John Roses work on the Slaves puzzled being put on top of the 340 and the letters in the 340 changed to what he has them as now? I need to see how and why he did that and where those instructions came from, or did he guess or what.
UPDATE: I just noticed something i had missed... I have to find the CHECKS
SPELL - add up to, imply, mean, point to, import, imply, denote, express, herald ( is this a newspaper?), augur ( foretell, prophesy, figure out, read, foreshadow, predict, an omen) give rest, relief, breathe, allow, relieve, lay off, stand in for, take over, take the place of
the relief, stand in for or take the place of . MIGHT BE telling us to actually have the Cross/slaves/paradice puzzle to take the place of the 340... by putting in on top of it. hmmm I need to CHECK that
IF we look at the following definition of relief, this MIGHT make sense to take the Cross/Slaves/Paradice puzzle and put it on the 340.. I'm not sure of that though. Stand in for, and Take place of... both could work for this also... these are all definitions of the word SPELL.
Defintion of SPELL- the state of being clearly visible or obvious due to being accentuated in some way.
a method of molding, carving, or stamping in which the design stands out from the surface, to a greater ( high relief ) or lesser ( bas-relief ) extent. noun: high relief; noun: low relief
a representation of relief given by an arrangement of line or color or shading. GEOGRAPHY difference in height from the surrounding terrain; the amount of variation in elevation and slope in a particular area.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 12:37:51 GMT -8
Grasshopper... your flipped upside down RIGHT ANGLE is making more and more sense "IF" john roses work of putting that Cross/slaves/paradice puzzle on top of the 340 is correct.
if your Flipped RIGHT ANGLE is set on the box it divided the box diagonally in half perfectly where it come alongside the the SLA, leaving it INSIDE the RIGHT ANGLE along with SLA, RADER, BY GUN, BY KNIFE, and Yuba... all inside that RIGHT ANGLE.
to the right outside the box is the world PAL (running upside down) / LAP... we all know that Zodiac is the SECRET PAL. "I" KNOW THAT ALSO MEANS LAP= TO GO AROUND...
the signature on the SLA letter is "A FRIEND" = a PAL... = LAP... and we find LAP right outside the flipped RIGHT ANGLE , right next to RADER. LAP means to GO AROUND... so if we Go Around the that area you end up with that FLIPPED RIGHT ANGLE you came up with. I don't know what made you figure out to end up with a FLIPPED RIGHT ANGLE.... but it definitely makes sense in this context.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 12:45:21 GMT -8
I will be posting more about this line of thought over here on the BTK as Zodiac thread theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/330/btk-zodiac-suspect?page=1&scrollTo=1035so please post responses to this idea over there so we don't clutter up this thread with RADER stuff.
I will be working on this idea over there and adding more about it as I work on it. here is my next thought... just because we have the WORD "RADER" . does not mean this is DENNIS RADER... it could just be the WORD 'RADER" and it means something else. we probably are thinking DENNIS RADER because BTK is so much like Zodiac in many way... btk also did these crazy puzzles mixed up inside of gobbly gook. and I have the BTK multi-layer solution to Dennis Raders puzzle that has Zodiac in the center of it, like this one has Rader in it... so that looks like it means RADER = DENNIS RADER.... but it might not be Dennis Rader... it might mean RAIDER... as in special forces Recon, which we keep seeing all over in all of the Zodiac stuff and especially in the DEEP REAL ESTATE personal newspaper ad. in that ad it is signed R.A. and I don't want to decode that all on this thread, but when I decoded that, the R. A. seems like RAIDER. I need to go through that all again and redo all my CHECKS and see if that has anything to do with the Cross/ slaves/Paradice or the 340. I didn't see it in there, but I did see military stuff with the R. A. Ra ID er...this is complicated I know, but this is how this code works. but basically, I'm just saying that because we see the word RADER in the post, does not mean it has to be DENNIS RADER. and being the word YUBA is also inside that flipped RIGHT ANGLE Grasshopper came up with, and being YUBA hooks right on to the "A" in RADER in the puzzle, and being YUBA is where BEALE air force base is in CALI, this might be RADER / RAIDER having to do with something in YUBA cali, having to do with some of DENNIS RADER's family(he had family there) or it might have something to do with RAIDER military special ops recon stationed at Beale air force base... now i know dennis rader had a couisn in that area of pretty dang close, maybe sacramento i forget. Dennis would come out and visit relatives he told me. and then we have the old IKLP posts(around 2004/ before arrest of Dennis Rader in 2005) that stated "my cousin Zodiac is a little whore" (I'll have to explain that elsewhere. I know this sounds nuts, but could dennis rader and one of his cousins in cali, be in some kind of an SK game with each other. Dennis in KS and the other RADER in Cali? omg i sound nuts... just brainstorming here Once I get to storage and get all of MY info out here, you'll understand what I am saying
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Post by amazingates on Nov 7, 2019 14:20:36 GMT -8
Now I'm going back to the original Cross/slaves/paradice card... nothing to do with the 340, just the way it was on the halloween card, the original CROSS.
I'm sitting her looking at this as I type this.
over the years what I have always had pop out at me were the letters RAD in the center and if you read RAD down and then go back up AR, that is radar... both up and down and down and up, either way. I always noticed that and thought of RADAR = RADER... for more than one reason. Dennis Rader is ALWAY referring to RADAR stations, and also our mt Diablo with the cross under it which I always thought is the zodiac symbol clue equal, has a radar station on top of mt diablo. Dennis rader is very into the radar stuff and you can see it all through his letters and drawings. I can post about that elsewhere.
so I notice that RADAR stuff going on. I've also over the years notice DLR in the cross if you go UP D in dice, to the left, L, and up to the right R ...those are the initials for Dennis lynn Rader. then if you start with the L go to the right, skip a lettter B, you get that funny looking Y.. then skip a letter K and you get the backwards N... LYN... his name is LYNN but phonetically LYN is LYNN. and on the other side of the "A" in the same manner as the LYN is on the left...if you do that on the right hand side it is DEN (like short for Dennis). I wonder if his friend or family had ever called him DEN?
the other thing I notice is this.... if you read the halloween card part with the skeleton and see the bones/hand with 14 on it... there are 14 letters that make up the cross of slaves(6) and Paradice (8) = 14... so maybe the 14 on the skeleton is directing you to the 14 letters in the paradice/slaves words. ?
now what happens if we start applying the instructions in the SLA message to how we move on the original cross/slaves/paradice, then what happens. i'm going to work on that and see if it tells us WHERE to jump around and move and SPELL his name. it might all be there right in the original cross/slaves/paradice and not even have to do all that with the 340.
I have actually always thought the Bus is what you drive on the 340/per instructions in the messages/communications, and then you blew up /bomb the 340 and pick up your letters and put them in the bus... to get your message words. that works also.
there is something in all this mess to do with Dennis Lynn Rader and most likely a family member in cali, or someone he knows and they are part of Zodiac and playing this game together... along with who knows who else...
another clue in john roses 340 + Cross is this.... the word PEAS... 6--peas is hooking to the S in SLAVES
Dennis rader wrote a poem when he first when to jai called peas in the pod.
Peas IS IN THE 340 WHEN YOU USE JOHN ROSES OVERLAY.
here is the poem Dennis Rader wrote.
Peas in the Pod The green color Pods at First were long and hollow. They had grown from Mother Earth, anti-society, into a wild vine. The vine with Pods, long and curling upward, had many follows; How each Pod has a unique Pea, that together walks a fine line. D.L.R., 4-19-05, Day 54
I'll come back and decode that for you in a minute.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 8, 2019 11:07:45 GMT -8
I started looking at all of this again last night, WITHOUT using John Rose's overlay. I'm putting the words Paradise and Slaves in the center of the 340 WITHOUT changing the letters on the 340. And even if you don't put it on the 340 and you just look at the Cross slaves paradice on the halloween card, right there in the center of slaves if you start going in a circle around the center you still have DLR (Dennis Lynn Rader). Which it is VERY COMMON for Dennis Rader to use his initials DLR rather than his name, he does it on everything, more so than to use his full name.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 12, 2019 16:19:07 GMT -8
I just now relooked at all of this stuff posted on this thread, and again I'm asking myself, what could Dennis Rader possibly have to do with the Zodiac. Well now that I have done a lot more reseach and reading on the who "times of the 60's" and then working on a few more of the Zodiac communciations, I now believe that this group is made up of anti-war factions; Not your peace and love anti-war people, but people in the Military who were totally fed up with how they were being treated and especially those in the brigs and stockages, and those tied to factions who were totally anti-gov at the time and believed the country was going to be taken over by communists(the Minutemen). We have the gov recruiting people into COINTELPRO(creating a SECRET ARMY) to go out and get rid of these factions at any cost, including murder them. Some of the Minutemen were used, a lot of the Panthers rolled and became informants and started killing each other, the weathermen, etc, you name it, if the gov could get these people to roll over and start havoc and even kill people, then it was breaking up all of these factions, exactly the reason behind COINTELPRO. If this is the case, RADER could definitely have somehow been connected to this mess. This was happening all over the USA, not just CALI and not just bay area where a few people got killed by some whacko killer the gov called Zodiac.
When BTK got arrested he said. He was going to go to the "Old Soliders" home... meaning prison. but why call it Old Soliders Home, and why spell it Solider rather than Soldier... well the misspelling is alway to alert us to something. So I need to find that writing from Dennis Rader where he talks about the OLD SOLIDERS HOME. was he one of the soldiers in this "zodiac war" against the gov. That might make sense that he knows the z code and he was killing just like the zodiac in cali, and why his puzzle has zodiac in the center of it and why zodiacs puzzle has Rader in it. just a thought. will take some work to figure this out
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