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Post by amazingates on Nov 18, 2019 10:01:28 GMT -8
Tearing Apart The "Citizens" Letter May 8, 1974This has a lot more advanced coding in it. After going through so many of these, it's almost like different coders wrote this stuff. Sometimes it's pretty easy, other times it seems more advanced. Even when it is easy you still see all the code and know it is the same, but it just seems, either there is more than one coder(one more advanced) or the same person is taking more time with it, or they don't want just anyone to figure it out. Or maybe if whoever is not really understanding it, they make it easier next time? I don't know. But this one is more advanced. Their sentence structures are more complex just in the style of writing sentences. THIS IS ONE OF THE HARDEST ONES I HAVE EVER WORKED ON. Sirs - I would like to express my consternti consternation concerningsirs - kings, knights, lords, masters, titleslike - choose, equal, double, near, same, relate, on the order ofexpression - pointed, clear, speedy, signify, distinct, voiced, direct, voluntary, out-and-out, outright, accurate, Spellconsternti - what word is this? This word is "out" and the "ion on Expression is "out"... so that = out and out CHECKconsternation - muddle(might be telling us to scramble it up) terror, amazement, shock, fear, confusion, alarm, distress, wonder, confusion concerning - regarding, about, in the matter of, re, with reference to, troubling, worrisome, having to do with, if we muddle the word consternation... spell and muddle = CHECK = what are we suppose to spell and muddle? if we take out consternti out of consternation =aion... what is that? that does not make sense. if it is matter IN consternation, then what is it? consternation =Castro Inn Note or CASTRON IN NOTE... what would castron be? cast ron? what castro? fidel castro? castro valley? castro district in sf? where is the castro Inn? and what note? RE=concerning... RE is in consternation. Ray?
Titles - on the order of Castro Inn Note? what is the CASTRO INN? and what note about it?
I will have to come back to this part. update - I figured it out
Castron in note . castroninnote . Cast Iron n note . ("N" . 14) . cast iron =Forge (14) Note. - What is this suppose to mean.
What note is forged? Where is the N 14 note? ___________________
your poor taste + lack of sympathy for the public,
you poor state dakota and path / maze for the public.poor taste plus lack of sympathy - (+ = add) Poor taste - sour, spoiled, bitter, rotten, low, below, under, badTaste - State
poor State is most likely the check for Bad Lands. low state. what state is that? ( bad lands are in Dakota) poor - low, needy, meager, scanty, broke, weak, reduced, base, below, reduced, rotten, sorry, worthless taste- flavor, bang, drive, salt, sting, suggestion, tiny, dash, drop, hint, (taste is a hint for STATE - bad lands = poor state) taste scramble -state, teats, st tea(T) st.(eat, ate, tea), set at, STATE = Dakotalack - loss, absence, shortage, decrease (remove some), miss, distress, want, need(knead) lack... less of... less on the word sympathy of sympathy - sympathy . Path =kindness, unity, accord, compassion, understanding, heart, union, close relation, connection a path is also a MAZE ( Maze 132? )
ok Dakota means = allies, to be thought of as friends there it is, unity (joined together), close relation, connection, = allies/friends = CHECK
This is talking about Dakota and Maze 132 (they are joined together) CHECKPublic - nation, people, bodies, citizens, heads, mob, patrons, suite, supporters, followers, society, country, community, known, social, open, general, plain, exposed, published, recognized, usual, widespread As evidenced by - proof of, signified, confirm, mark, witness signature, reveal (what mark or signature?) exposed and reveal = CHECKyour running - printing, courier, express, ( a courier runs with the message, the ad) of the ads - ads- advertisement - ad - Message (CHECK)What is this? reveal, expose, - did an ad reveal or expose something?
There is an AD in the courier newspaper . _____________ for the movie -TV, episode, series - Ceres ( in the town of CERES)
Featuring - displaying, headlining, starring, turning, giving center stage, pointing up, showing off, turning the spotlight onBad lands - low lands. (checks with poor taste, poor state) bad lands state, Dakotathe blurb. - ad, brief, spot
This is about an ad in the CERES Newpaper, the Courier - revealing and exposing something about Dakota and Maze____________________
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Post by amazingates on Nov 21, 2019 15:41:32 GMT -8
In 1959 most people were killing time Kit + Holly were killing people .
1959 - someone happened on that date? a date could be a time (what happened in 1959) most people - mankind, humanity time - 19:50 is a time. military time of 7:50 pm ? Killing time - to make time seem to pass more quickly by doing something instead of just waiting staying busy. Killing time =passing away the hours/minutes/days/years
Time = minutes, hours, seconds, date, age, life, shift ( am I suppose to SHIFT the letters?)
Kit+holly add and scramble or add meanings .... kill hoyt (who is that?) holy kilt? (irish priest)? Were Killing People - The holy kilt were killing people? or someone killed HOYT - who is Hoyt. oh HOYT was killing people? Who is HOYT?
kit = pack, provision, gear, tools, fox holly = christ thorn, (what is a christ thorn) Have to figure this out.
I cannot get this to check, I have to keep looking at this and find the checks. I have something wrong. Kit +Holly has to = were killing people
People = Le Pope ( that would check with Irish Priest? and christ thorn? not sure. fox+chirst throrn? tools+ christ thorn? provision+christ thorn? gear+christ thorn
gear - accessory, harness, luggage, machinery, material, supply, apendage, encumbrances, fittings, rigging, outfit, tackle, trappings, kit and kaboodle
In light of recent events - In(inside) . light of "recent events" light - sunshine, ray, star, dawn, beacon, lighthouse, sunbeam, Inside what? light and light check, what is inside "recent events"?
this is inside the RECENT EVENTS section - does the paper have one? and some to do with LIGHT in that section. recent - current, late, latter, modern, fresh, today, hot off the press, just out, latter-day, present, up-to-date current - flowing water, water events - skiing . KING
there is a LIGHT (meaning light) inside (IN) the RECENT EVENTS - there should be a message there.
recent events . current steven? who is steven? current events = NEWS.... NEW NEWS . ( what is LIGHT?) hmm is there new news in a paper called the BEACON?
this kind - good, friendly, bleeding-heart, good-hearted, brand, family, kin, order, manner, breed, connection, habit, stamp of murder - assassinastion, homicide, crime, lynching, hit, rub out glorification - translation, deification, exaltation can only be - only B (hmmm Badlands is the glorification and starts with a B and look at it, is that a 13? ) and only look at B/13, can ONLY B... only 13... deplorable - BAD... there is again BAD.. deplorable is BAD and so it is Badlands but only the B which is a 13... at best - so 13 at best.. oh wow... one of the "13" was killed?
what is AT BEST? oh . this kind(good) rub out the BAD translation Badlands and use ONLY B(13) BEST good/best = check
Not that glorification - translation, deification, exaltation of violence - blowup, fury, power, extreme force(what kind of force.. like in a "force" of some kind?) disorder, uproar was ever justifiable) . was ever, WA sever, weavers? who is weaver? justifiable -acceptable, well-founded, reasonable, proper, valid, fair, fit, legit, right, vindicable
not that translation, blow up, disorder (mix up) was ever(weaver? WA sever?) well-founded/right?
ever justifiable - always right not left not wrong but right
justifiable , able to justify, to line up with,
Why don't you show some concern - show- movie, tv , series episode, CERES (what about Ceres?) for public - Nation - revealed, seen sensibilities -insight, sense, taste ( state), heart, ability to feel . - in sight +cut - take out, part, strip, mark, nick, nip, passage, path, stab trim, portion of profit, allotment, kickback, member, piece, share. description, the ad? notice, flyer, announcement, endorsement . what ad? A Citizen = A Nation A = one . Citizen = person belonging to some kind of Nation. the "A" nation
another thought here... bad... cut out the ad... bad - ad = B = 13 - there it is again. b=13
There is some kind of ad in the CERES COURIER that is talking about some kind of something going on about Dakota and Maze. We need to go look and see if we can find this ad.
I can't figure out what the "kit and Holly" is. KILL HOYT? Holy Kilt? is there anything anywhere that has to do with anyone named HOYT and some Irish preist, or something to do with "christ thorn" of a name that would translate to something to do with religious something?
If we could find the ad/message it is probably in there. it might be the clue as to what ad to look at?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 21, 2019 15:42:30 GMT -8
I am still working on all of this and finding the CHECKS... It is not done at all. I'll try to get it finished tonight or tomorrow, but until I find the CHECKS in it, it is not right.
I pretty much have a good idea what this might be about... I'll finish is up later. Hopefully tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 23, 2019 20:29:41 GMT -8
let see what this is all about... first of all
UPDATE: I am thinking this message has nothing to do with any of this, but I'll leave it on here just in case we find out differently later on
what happened in 1959,
so who was killing time and who was killing people? I guarantee this is not about Kit & Holly. or a movie called Badlands.
Fidel Castro Fidel Castro comes to power in Cuba after Revolution with the first communist state in the west More Information and Timeline For Cuban Revolution 1. 1952 -Former Cuban President Fulgencio Batista leads a military coup and takes power 2. 1953 - A group of rebels led by Fidel Castro attack the Moncada Barracks, the attack fails and Batista suspends many constitutional rights in retaliation 3. 1954 - Batista is elected virtually unopposed as the opposition either boycotts the election or is intimidated into dropping out of the race 4. 1955 - Fidel Castro and all other political prisoners are released from prison by Batista due to political pressures 5. 1955 - Fidel & Raul Castro flee to Mexico and meet revolutionary Che Guevara. They begin plans for a revolution to overthrow Batista 6. 1956 - Fidel Castro and a number of revolutionaries sail to Cuba from Mexico 7. 1957 - Castro and the few original revolutionaries that were left after several casualties gather support while hiding out in the Sierra Maestra mountains. They are able to launch a few successful attacks against the Cuban army 8. 1958 - Castro's rebels are successful at holding back the Cuban army despite being outnumbered and suffering losses 9. 1958 - The United States of America imposes an arms embargo on Cuba 10. 1958 - Guevara's guerilla troops attack and capture Santa Clara and Cienfuego's guerilla army is victorious in the Battle of Yaguajay 11. January 1959 - Batista flees from Cuba 12. January - Castro and the victorious revolutionaries arrive in Havana 13. Manuel Urrutia Lleo becomes Cuba's new president and Jose Miro Cardona becomes Prime Minister 14. February - Fidel Castro becomes Prime Minister of Cuba and Miro goes into exile 15. Castro forces Urrutia out of office and appoints Osvaldo Dorticos as president and Castro is now known as the Premier of Cuba Castro then aligns himself with Soviet Russia after being rebuffed by the United States
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 0:16:49 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 0:53:55 GMT -8
I still have work to do on this, I don't have all the CHECKS yet, and some of it is VERY HARD to get them. But so far, this is about some kind of an ad that is in the CERES COURIER. It is talking about something on Dakota and Maze. That has to be maze 132 and Dakota. It's dated May 8, 1974. Was it an anniversary of something? I'll try to find out. And also try to find out what this is talking about.
It also mentions 1959. It might be talking about castro... it might be talking about minutemen.( I'm wondering) I'm not sure yet. There is "no guessing". I just have to keep working the words until they match up and CHECK. This is one of the hardest communications to decode.
it is also talking about something in the ad revealing and exposing something. They don't seem very happy about that and want that stopped. maybe someone left a message and said something that could alert someone and the message was not very well hidden. It seems that way to me.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 1:08:08 GMT -8
Just making a note..... so I don't forget.... the word citizen at the bottom... the iti... looks like a cross with 4 light ray lines coming from it.
I forgot which one now, but one of the other letters from z had ITI... I need to find that again
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 1:13:43 GMT -8
hmmm I did not know the CERES COURIER is actually in Turlock? is this the right one... . I wonder if this it is, or if there is another newspaper in CERES. or are we looking for a COURIER in CERES... a courier being a person? The Ceres Courier Newspaper The Ceres Courier was established in 1910 when Ceres was home to approximately 500 residents. The paper’s founder was Clarence “Hal” Humphrey Bronaugh, who was born in Illinois and was first employed as a “printer’s devil” in Chicago. He married a Grace Pearl Macomber after he saw her poetry in the paper and they began corresponding. The couple married in Vermont but moved to Colorado where he ran a newspaper in Craig from 1891 to 1895. He came to California where he worked for the Stockton Record and then the Turlock Journal. At one time he owned a quarter of the Turlock paper but left Turlock to start up the Courier in 1910. The newspaper operated out of an old unpainted wood framed structure on Fourth Street, then only a dirt street, and type was set by hand, a laborious process in those days. Source 138 South Center Street Turlock, CA 95380 Phone: (209) 537-5032 Web: www.cerescourier.com Ceres Courier is a privately held company in Turlock, CA and is a Single Location business. Categorized under Newspapers: Publishing Only, Not Printed On Site. Our records show it was established in 1974 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 35726 and employs a staff of approximately 9.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 10:40:36 GMT -8
maybe this is not an actual AD... maybe it is a Notice . ad=notice... we are suppose to NOTICE something... notice can be a MESSAGE.
I have most of this done, but there are still a few things NOT CHECKING... and I have to get these things to CHECK or it is not going to be right. And it has to be right or we won't have the right message.
There is either an "ad" somewhere in a newspaper, most likely the Ceres Courier in the current events section if they have one... or there is someone in CERES who is a "courier"(messenger) who this is talking about. And there is something to do with Dakota and Maze. And something to do with the B/13.
something to do with a kit+holly that I have some "ideas" but "ideas" don't work when doing this, I have to get the CHECK. We have a possible, HOYT, an irish priest, a LE POPE, a "christ thorn"(Holly), someone being killed or someone killing them, or someone needs to be killed.
most people are killing TIME... there is the dang TIME theme again . it's really big with zodiac...
how do you kill time? you pass away the minutes, hours, days. is he talking about someone passing away, and the story is in the current events?
is killing time, talking about killing someone? or their passing away?
Why is Zodiac so hung up on TIME Time= age, minutes, clock, watch, shift, span, date, period, spell (hmm) this might be an instruction; kill the spelling, shift it, scramble it. time- length of EVENT... (as in recent event?) length of time is minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, seconds, moments? oh, change the length.....hmm, if you take the LE off of People, you have POPE. holy kilt. That might check, and holy kilt is an irish priest. ? hmm not sure, have to go back through this
Kit + holly. shift the spelling. I did that. got kill hoyt, holy kilt, etc. (what else can that mean? ) holy kilt (irish priest?)
Like I said, this is the most complex message EVER.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 10:51:52 GMT -8
If we possibly had the news paper or new of an EVENT with the name of HOYT, or something to do with a priest/pope. or could figure out what the "christ thorn" is. and if we know what is going on in CERES and if that is the CERES COURIER newspaper, or instead a COURIER/messenger who lives in CERES of something. But the CERES COURIER is "IN" Turlock actually. so is there something in the TURLOCK ceres courier?
maybe someone named HOYT lives on Dakota and Maze 132? need to go through the city directory of Modesto in 1970's to look and see
what else can kitholly spell if scrambled up?
kill hoyt
holy kilt
koty hill
what the heck is it?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 11:04:37 GMT -8
wait a minute, is he talking about Pattie Popejoy? theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/333/patricia-pattie-popejoy-modesto-ceresPatricia Ann “Pattie” PopejoyBIRTH 9 Dec 1952 California, USA DEATH 15 May 1971 (aged 18) Ceres, Stanislaus County, California, USA BURIAL Ceres Memorial Park Ceres, Stanislaus County, California, USA the didn't really know for sure what date she died because she was found in the delta mendota canal, and they didn't know for sure how long she had been there. maybe 3 weeks or so or more. they have her date of death as May 15... that is only one week after May 8th, the date of the "A citizen" letter. 3 years later. Is he talking about Patti POPEjoy and a year later after this letter Donna Peeples is found at Dakota and Maze 132 in a grape vineyard. This is getting weird. Pattie was last seen in that area a few blocks away. Pattie was in the Delta Mendota out there by KJ area. Pattie is buried in CERES. her family use to live in KEYES. let me go look at this and Donna Peeples again. when did she die and is there some other message that might talk about her later. 1975 I think they found her. more thoughts... patti was WIRED to an AXLE (gear)... was she wired with BARBED wire(christ thorn)... did she have it wrapped around her head like "christ thorn" the "crown of thorns" on Jesus? only the police will know that. if so, I bet you this is about Pattie Popejoy. kind of weird that patti is PEOPLE (less LE = Pope) and then 3 years later at dakota and maze 132 is donna PEEPLES(peoples) body found at Dakota and Maze 132. what is the date of death of Donna Peeples? let me find it. ok here is the link to Donna Peeples, body found at Dakota and Maze 132 Modesto theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/341/donna-peeples-unsolved-murder-modestoShe was found July 16, 1975 a year and a month (and few days) after the citizen letter. She was killed elsewhere, but her body dumped at Dakota and Maze 132 in a grape vineyard there. So why take her THERE? why that SPOT. why a couple of blocks from where Pattie POPEjoy is last seen. Is this all coincidence? let me look at this citizen letter clues and see if more of them match up. I had always thought there was a sk in Modesto killing these girls over the years, but I had almost thought it was someone else. unless that someone else IS ZODIAC? I just don't see that though, but then again... maybe if I really think about it, maybe I do see it. I have to really really think about this. okay I don't want to get hung-up on this thought, but it is kind of weird so much is matching. I'll try to check a LOT more to see if this MIGHT BE what is being talked about.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 13:41:29 GMT -8
Am I missing something.....
Kit+Holly - one of the things was KILL HOYT... the letters HOYT are in Troy Houghton leaving the letters Roughton. did I miss something with the letters Roughton that means one of the clues?
most 1959 people were killing TIME/MINUTES kit+holly were killing People/ Pope. etc.
kit + holly... I don't normally work things "backwards" . doing that can get you into all kinds of mixed up mess... .but I'm going to see if I missed anything that = the remaining letters on Troy Houghton.
so how might Kit+Holly = Troy Houghton? and it is also going to have to then CHECK with Killing Time ( and it can if Time is Minutes)
But how could you possibly get Troy Houghton out of Kit+Holly? a holy kilt? kill hoyt? kill an irish priest? can any of that make sense with Troy Houghton? Is he connected to anyone in CERES, Modesto, dakota, etc? Is he killing PEOPLE... does he have a connection to Maze Road and Dakota AVE? anyone else found in the Delta Mendota? Is he connected to Paul Stine, or Joe Stine? I don't know enough about him to know who all and where he is connected to. And where would Pattie Popejoy fit into this mess? or Deanna Peeples ( just people with the wrong last names) who were over in the Maze Dakota area? Did they both know someone right there who is connected to Zodiac...
what is the dang connection? Is there one?
For the write/creator of these messages, and for the people who are reading them who KNOW one another, it is easy for them to write and understand what it is about... but for someone like me, who does not know what they might be talking about, we just have to take all the clues and look for what they are referencing. I can get the WORDS and message right, but what do we apply it to if we don't know anything about the people and what it is they are doing and why. All we can do is take what we do have and start searching for what they are talking about. Then it all has to add up and CHECK. If not, then it is the wrong thing
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 14:31:29 GMT -8
I just noticed something and this is EXACTLY what you should NEVER do.... but I have to make a note of it, because it is OBVIOUS to me that 't' in citizen signature means something. what I don't know yet, but this is a VERY BAD thing to do if you want to remain very accurate in figuring stuff out. so please do not think this is for sure, it is NO WHERE NEAR SURE... but it "is" interesting.
A ci't'izen ... the ' ' marks around the "t" on the top and bottom of the "t" is separating out the "t".... is that for TROY?
ci 't' izen . C-see... I- I ..... 't' - Troy .... I - I .... Z- Z(zodiac).... en ?
now THAT is how you get yourself in REAL trouble and it has NO CODE RULES WHATSOEVER... but it "IS" "interesting.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 15:02:23 GMT -8
okay I see one thing I missed and left out a word....
In 1959 most people were killing time Kit + Holly were killing people .
I missed MANKIND... I did not add that in... so watch this....
mankind killing time /minutes... shift... minutes man kind..... Minutesman... that is the clue for Minutemen. Started in 1959
He is identifying himself right there... he's a minuteman.... now which one...
1959 - someone happened on that date? a date could be a time (what happened in 1959) the minute men started when they went DUCK HUNTING... well crap, the dang flyway is right out there. one of the biggest duck hunting areas ever. on maze 132. no wonder he uses that area. Will get more on the flyway out there, it is right by GALLOS... and so is the grape vineyard where the body is at on Maze and Dakota ? weird. and so is the guy who had the keys /keyes in Eureka Card... so is Paradise and so is the "Slaves" right by maze, and so is Joe Stines gas station up there in the are, and where Peeples body is, and where Pattie Popejoy was last seen, and on out where KJ was, and the other people in the delta mendota. .....just soooo many ties.... so weird.
most people - mankind, man. humanity time - 19:50 is a time. military time of 7:50 pm ? Killing time - to make time seem to pass more quickly by doing something instead of just waiting( minutemen were founded for that reason)
Killing time =passing away the hours/minutes/days/years
Time = minutes, hours, seconds, date, age, life, shift ( am I suppose to SHIFT the letters?) no, shift the WORDS
Man Minutes - Minutes Man... Minuteman or Minutemen ________________
which minuteman is he....
Kit+Holly =
Kit+holly add and scramble or add meanings .... kill hoyt (who is that?) holy kilt? (irish priest)? Were Killing People - The holy kilt were killing people? or someone killed HOYT - who is Hoyt. oh HOYT was killing people? Who is HOYT?
kit = pack, provision, gear, tools, fox holly = christ thorn, (what is a christ thorn) Have to figure this out.
Kit +Holly has to = were killing people ( who was [kit+holly} killing?)
People = Le Pope ( that would check with Irish Priest? and christ thorn? not sure. fox+chirst throrn? tools+ christ thorn? provision+christ thorn? gear+christ thorn
gear - accessory, harness, luggage, machinery, material, supply, apendage, encumbrances, fittings, rigging, outfit, tackle, trappings, kit and kaboodle
ok we know who he is killing, but who is he? HOYT? now if we try to put Troy Houghton as the solution, we have the HOYT letters already, so take the out of Troy Houghton - Roughton left... rough ton... so where is there a clue for rough ton or a scramble of those letters or a meaning of them? do we have one? if we do and it CHECKS then that will work...if we don't and it won't CHECK then it is wrong... so let me try to see if there is a word that fits the clue that would add up the letters roughton and also fit in the CHECK with kit+holly
okay i have to go back through the message and see if there is anything at all in there that would EQUAL and CHECK and mean something that uses the letters or meanings that make ROUGHTON... ROUGH TON or a scramble of those letters to add with HOYT, or something else, or something that MEANS . Roughton . rought ton or a scramble of those letters.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 15:23:41 GMT -8
it might not be troy houghton at all, it could be anyone tied to the minutemen in any way, but because we already have the letters HOYT and those letters are in troy houghton then I will start with him and see if I can find a clue for him. If not, then he is wrong.
hmmmm, I'm not comfortable with this.. but it could work, but I'm still not comfortable with it. I need more checks. It should flow a bit better. but like I said, this one is really complex and hard compared to most, almost like someone else is writing it other than who usually creates these messages... same coding, but much higher level advanced use of words and rules.
kit + holly - kill hoyt.... hoyt kill.
rough + ton = hard weight = hard wait? rough wait... rough wait(killing time) rough - hard, not smooth, uneven, rocky, ragged, unfinished, incomplete, rude, rugged, jagged, unequal, irregular, nappy,
ton - weight, many, heaps, jillion, mass, oodles, scores, umpteen, whole slew(slough), much, thousands, scads, throng,
2000 pounds, 2K, hmmm a troy ounce is roughly 31 grams.... 31<->13 _____________________
kit + holly = kill hoyt, hoyt kill
Hoyt = Hoyt
rough = uneven
ton = weight
troy = ounce is an uneven weight - 31 grams (common in measuring gold, silver and other precious metals. it is roughly 31 grams)
a Hoyt rough ton is a troy houghton. it works.. and it is a "rough weight" which is "killing time" and kit and holly were killing . people... so was Troy Houghton? or was he the one killed? that is the question here.
again, it works, but I'm not that comfortable with this. I need to no more about troy houghton and what he was doing in his life, what kinds of things he was in to, his background, family, locations, what would be his reason for being in Modesto, Ceres, Keyes, maze road, dakota, the duck flyway, etc. If we can place him around these things, that would make perfect sense. but at the moment I know nothing about him. I'll go read.
but a rough weight definitely = troy and a rough wait definitely = killing time... so the CHECK is definitely there. along with the minutemen and the 1959. and the duck hunting flyway. so is troy over in the valley? does he have a connection to CERES, z mentions that area more than once. a few times in coding.
what is the tie to maze road and dakota, why is all of the z always around these areas, yet no one ever looks over there to find the connections. I think we really need to find the connections to all that area. I personally have always believed there is one, but it does not seem like anyone else ever realizes Zodiac was alive and well all over there.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 16:28:38 GMT -8
okay my brain is working overtime here . troy ounce = troy oz... that's pretty funny. I wonder if he had any weird nicknames...because whoever wrote this stuff had a weird sense of humor and I could certain see if the minutemen or any group for that matter were referring to their members in code, they would all have crazy nicknames and I would definitely be calling troy houghton The TROY Of OZ... as in cape oz, caipoz= zodiac upside down and backwards like in the 13th victim card(which I call the BIG 13 card) ... it makes sense for sure. and the 13 backwards is the 31 troy ounce. see how that all works... this is exactly what they do... some of the messages do it more than others. and this specific message/communication is multi-level and there might even be more info in another level in here that I have not even noticed yet... when they look too simple, you can just about guess there is going to be another solution level under the surface one. I see two levels going on in this one, I have seen as much as 3 in others. whoever created this one is REALY REALY good. It takes a LOT of effort and code knowledge for years to write something like this one.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 25, 2019 13:44:12 GMT -8
I just realized something ConsternationTitles - on the order of Castro Inn Note? what is the CASTRO INN? and what note about it? I figured it out Castron in note . castroninnote . Cast Iron n note . ("N" . 14) . cast iron =Forge (14) Note. - What is this suppose to mean. What note is forged? Where is the N 14 note?this makes sense now. One of the notes is forged. That is why some are so easy and some are so hard. ... someone is forging some. or at least one? Let me really make sure , for sure , this is what they mean. ok it all makes sense now for this communication to be coded so complex. They have a FAKE N 14 Note/message/ad out there somewhere and this note is saying that other note is not real. so where is it... so they coded this one so complex to make sure they identified themself in it, but had to REALLY HIDE who they are... that is why this one is soooo hard. so where is that fack N 14 message/ad/note? I don't remember one like that... anyone else?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 25, 2019 15:55:24 GMT -8
so this communication first of all... they are really pissed off at someone for writing a fake N 14 note. Telling then to CUT THE AD... where is that ad...
well they talk about it being in the CERES Courier or either someone in CERES is the Courier(the bearer of the message)... so who is it... who is in CERES?
what else could CERES Courier mean? oh at the unit of Dakota and Maze
somehow that fake note ad, identified someone or something that was not suppose to be out there. My guess the ad was very easy to read and had something identifying in it.
so what note is right before this one that might be fake?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 25, 2019 16:03:21 GMT -8
I'm going to try to find the city directory for modesto and see who was living at dakota and maze. I think that might be by the Gallos vineyard..one of them. let me go looking
nope not by gallos. Gallos is up farther and another one out a lot farther by the flyway.
there is Salida Hulling Association there at the intersection of maze and dakota but not sure if it were there THEN. I don't know when they put that in there. but interesting a nut processing company...(more info on that later)
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Post by amazingates on Nov 25, 2019 16:59:41 GMT -8
okay look at this......
Ceres Ferdinandea . that is the original name of CERES.... let me go see something
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Post by amazingates on Nov 25, 2019 17:38:56 GMT -8
Marie Sue Davis, Alice's sister, was married to a Des Moines Iowa Policeman. Her sister, Marie stated "Alice told her of the Halloween abduction, but refused to giver her the name of the man whose voice she recognized" Alice told her sister, Marie, "If i told you who it was, you wouldn't believe me"
What Halloween Abduction?
let me go research all of this. I just now found out about all this other stuff.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 26, 2019 11:24:17 GMT -8
Kit+Holly = Kit+holly add and scramble or add meanings .... kill hoyt (who is that?) holy kilt? (irish priest)? Were Killing People - The holy kilt were killing people? or someone killed HOYT - who is Hoyt. oh HOYT was killing people? Who is HOYT? kit = pack, provision, gear, tools, fox holly = christ thorn, (what is a christ thorn) Have to figure this out. Kit +Holly has to = were killing people ( who was [kit+holly} killing?) . kit and Holly holly =bowers ... kit = . Holy Kit =kilt priest = pope = priest Bowers - Boughs of Holly is the POPE/Priest of the KKK Sam Bowers. ( The snowman in the Eureka Card) theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/362/eureka-card-bunny-snowman
People = Le Pope ( that would check with Irish Priest? and christ thorn? not sure. ------------------ Okay back to this part again..... Kilt priest -pope = priest, reverend, pastor, bishop, papal, see, head of church. otho, nuncio, high priest kit - gear, materila, outfit, pack, satchel, stuff, suitcase, things, collection, assortment holly- deck the halls with BOUGHS of Holly . BOWs (short sound of "0")like in "boughs" of Holly CHRIST THORN--- irish priest - what is a thorn? - barb, bramble, briar, nettle, point, spine, thistle, prickle, spike
the kit(outfit) has a point / spike. and he is THE PRIEST = Sam Bowers.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 26, 2019 11:30:24 GMT -8
There are two really powerful figures in the world: THE PRIEST and the preacher. I think I came here as a PRIEST. ~Samuel Bowers~
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Post by amazingates on Nov 26, 2019 11:38:33 GMT -8
So now we have the Minutemen...and .... Sam Bowers. and if we look at the Eureka Card with the snowman and SAM BOWERS card, we see that is who this is talking about. theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/362/eureka-card-bunny-snowmanRemember, these people already know the nicknames of people and who is who, so it is EASY for THEM to figure this all out. Because we have no idea who is writing this stuff nor what it is about, it is very hard to find the right people and events. But now it is going to get easier, because NOW we see Sam Bowers popping up in here AND the Minutemen... so now we have a little bit of an idea what this is all about . and who . some of the players might be. so now lets try . to figure out who the Minuteman is in this communtication.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 14, 2020 1:18:17 GMT -8
let see what this is all about... first of all UPDATE: I am thinking this message has nothing to do with any of this, but I'll leave it on here just in case we find out differently later onwhat happened in 1959,
so who was killing time and who was killing people? I guarantee this is not about Kit & Holly. or a movie called Badlands. Fidel Castro Fidel Castro comes to power in Cuba after Revolution with the first communist state in the westMore Information and Timeline For Cuban Revolution 1. 1952 -Former Cuban President Fulgencio Batista leads a military coup and takes power 2. 1953 - A group of rebels led by Fidel Castro attack the Moncada Barracks, the attack fails and Batista suspends many constitutional rights in retaliation 3. 1954 - Batista is elected virtually unopposed as the opposition either boycotts the election or is intimidated into dropping out of the race 4. 1955 - Fidel Castro and all other political prisoners are released from prison by Batista due to political pressures 5. 1955 - Fidel & Raul Castro flee to Mexico and meet revolutionary Che Guevara. They begin plans for a revolution to overthrow Batista 6. 1956 - Fidel Castro and a number of revolutionaries sail to Cuba from Mexico 7. 1957 - Castro and the few original revolutionaries that were left after several casualties gather support while hiding out in the Sierra Maestra mountains. They are able to launch a few successful attacks against the Cuban army 8. 1958 - Castro's rebels are successful at holding back the Cuban army despite being outnumbered and suffering losses 9. 1958 - The United States of America imposes an arms embargo on Cuba 10. 1958 - Guevara's guerilla troops attack and capture Santa Clara and Cienfuego's guerilla army is victorious in the Battle of Yaguajay 11. January 1959 - Batista flees from Cuba12. January - Castro and the victorious revolutionaries arrive in Havana13. Manuel Urrutia Lleo becomes Cuba's new president and Jose Miro Cardona becomes Prime Minister14. February - Fidel Castro becomes Prime Minister of Cuba and Miro goes into exile15. Castro forces Urrutia out of office and appoints Osvaldo Dorticos as president and Castro is now known as the Premier of CubaCastro then aligns himself with Soviet Russia after being rebuffed by the United States-__________________you know what, I have changed my mind. I now think this has a 'whole lot' to do with zodiac.
This certainly has a great deal to do with Ozzie Rabbit. (Read the Eureka Card - Bunny & The Snowman) The Eureka Card - The Bunny & The Snowmantheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/362/eureka-card-bunny-snowmanWe know that Oswald was hooked up in the Castro situation, and we know that Oswald was hooked up with some of the Minutemen. We also know that several of these people were working for the FBI etc. We really believe that whoever wrote the Bates letters also wrote the Ruby Letters. "IF" the Bates letters and the Ruby Letters were in fact written by the same people, then we know that whoever wrote them was mad at Ruby for killing Oswald. So yes, all of this could very well have set off something and as they say "we don't forgive, we don't forget"... I think whoever/whatever Z is, they are not forgetting and not forgiving and they have went BOO/ Ghost/ Spook on whoever they were working for etc, and went renegade and on a rampage. Part of it I believe was their "job", but I think at some point they just decided to go ghost. I really am not sure Troy Houghton is Dead, and those 13 holes in the card and in his card and all the rest of the communications about him and his family and personal life all coded in the z communications, makes you wonder just who in the hell is doing this and why... but it is either one of them, or it is someone wanting us to believe it is one of them. I have 3 in mind myself.. haha.. maybe all of them LOL
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