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Post by ophion1031 on Aug 5, 2018 20:45:57 GMT -8
William Erness Thoresen IIIDOB: Oct. 9, 1937 DIED: June 19, 1970. Shot to death by his wife, Louise. Parents: William E. Thoresen II and Catherine Ehrman Thoresen, both deceased. Siblings: Richard Thoresen, deceased. Spouse(s) : Louise (Banich) Thoresen, deceased. Children: Michael W. Thoresen HT & WT: Approximately 6'2", 175 lbs. Known Addresses: Kenilworth, IL. 4810 Camino Escuela Tuscon, AZ. 136 E. 54th St. New York, NY. 2801 Broadway San Francisco, CA. Phoenix, AZ. Fresno, CA. William Erness Thoresen III grew up in the wealthiest part of Chicago. His father, William E. Thoresen II, had been the founder and president of Great Western Steel Co. since the 1920's. The family was very wealthy. Thoresen and his brother, Richard, were spoiled kids who grew up having everything they wanted and then some. Bill started getting into trouble when he was a teenager. Since he was never disciplined at any point in his life, he thought he could get away with whatever he wanted to. And to an extent, he did get away with a lot. It is believed that Thoresen started acting out because of his severe speech impediment, a stutter. The Thoresen family had tried to have Bill committed on more than one occasion, but it did not work. There was one time where Bill escaped while on the way to a mental hospital, and he and his girlfriend, Louise Banich (a speech therapist), fled to Indiana to stay with one of Louise's aunts. Bill and Louise were married during their stay in Indiana. After a while, the newlywed couple decided to return to Chicago and face the music. Bill told his father that he had changed and wanted to be a responsible adult, and his father bought it. Bill and Louise moved to Arizona where Bill would try out a career in the rodeo. This new career path did not last very long. William started traveling quite often and would leave Louise at home. He was basically out living the life of a rich bachelor; partying and sleeping with lots of women. Louise knew what he was up to, but she rarely ever brought it up because when she did, he would beat her. One of William's favorite places to travel was to California. He fell in love with San Francisco and would often tell Louise how he wanted to move there, but they did not have the money for it. He always bragged that his father had a $1,000,000 inheritance for him in a safe, so one day Bill broke into the safe and took the money he had been bragging about for years. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was somewhere around $650,000. He noticed that his brother, Richard, had a lot more of an inheritance and he became angry. When Bill needed financial help, his father would give him money, not telling Bill that the money was coming out of his inheritance. On Sept. 21, 1965, Richard Thoresen was murdered by a "hitman" named Lewis Stoddard, a friend of Bill's. Stoddard showed up at William's mansion demanding more money for killing his brother, and rumor is that the angry Thoresen killed Stoddard by hitting him several times in the head with a hammer and then shooting him to "finish the job." He then rolled the body in a carpet or rug and threw him in the ocean. Hiring hitmen was something that Thoresen would do quite often, although it is believed that he himself has committed murder on more than one occasion. Thoresen is/was the prime suspect in the 1966 murder of Valerie Percy. He is suspected of killing his friend Lewis Dale Stoddard, as previously mentioned, and in 1957, at the age of 19 he was questioned in for the murder of 15 year old Judith Mae Andersen after he was overheard talking about committing the crime to a friend. Bill and Louise Thoresen were in the newspapers a lot in the late 60's after having their San Francisco mansion raided by the ATF and it was discovered that Bill had been stockpiling weapons and ammunition. The FBI tried to link Thoresen to and radical groups, primarily the Minutemen, but were unable to do so. He WAS selling weapons to the Minutemen, as well as trafficking drugs and weapons to Central America. The FBI also considered Thoresen to be the top suspect in the Valerie Percy case. Louise Thoresen shot Bill to death in 1970 and was found not guilty of murder. The jury declared that it was self defense. Louise later wrote a book about her life with Bill, titled It Gave Everybody Something to Do... I highly recommend reading the book, although Louise does make herself look like a saint in the book, which is not entirely true. Arrest Record: (and disputes) -1957 Thoresen is stabbed during a scuffle with a parking lot attendant in Evanston, Ill. Thoresen claims that he later hit the same man with his car. -1958 Charged and fined $50 for shoving a man in Kenilworth, Ill. -1959 Charged with stealing 6 colored posters from a ferry terminal in Bar Harbor, Maine. Thoresen's father agreed to bail William out as long as he checked into a mental health facility upon their return to Chicago, but William refused. His father bailed him out anyways. William was charged with a felony and placed on 2 years probation. openjurist.org/395/f2d/466/in-the-matter-of-william-e-thoresen-iii is a link that gives more information. Thoresen later tried to appeal this because he was about to start his weapons trial, and being a convicted felon it was illegal for him to own any firearms. -1964 Accused of lighting dynamite outside of a radio station in Arizona where he and his wife were living. The charges were dropped because the witness was too scared to testify. -1965 William and Richard Thoresen were named in burglary warrants for breaking into their parents home. Richard was murdered the day before he was to go to trial. -1966, March 11th Thoresen and Lewis Dale Stoddard were arrested after a high speed chase in one of Thoresen's Ferraris. Police were investigating "suspicious circumstances" outside of Val's Gun Shop on Columbus Ave. in San Francisco. Not sure what the "suspicious circumstances" were. The two were originally charged with assault on a police officer, possession of a blackjack and resisting arrest. Thoresen was also charged with speeding, driving under the influence of drugs and not having his car registered. The resisting arrest charge stuck and the other charges were dropped. -1966, October. Arrested in Phoenix, AZ for aggravated assault on a waiter, Phillip Phillips (what a dumb name!), at Hiway House Motor Hotel in Tucson on July 21, 1966. Thoresen broke the man's arm because he thought that his bill was 75 cents more than it should have been. 75 cents was nothing to Thoresen, yet it was enough to make him lose his temper and break a man's arm. -1966, December. William and Louise Thoresen, accompanied by J. Curtis Earl (for part of their trip) go around the country buying up all the weapons and ammo they can get their hands on. Louise left some packages at Kennedy airport in NYC. One of the packages accidentally opened and revealed a gun inside. The airport contacted the authorities and Louise was arrested when she came to collect the packages. These packages contained an arsenal, and even more was found in the rental car in Louise's name. William approached the rental car and was confronted by either FBI agents or NYPD (I forget which), who attempted to question Thoresen about the murder of Valerie Percy, but William would not cooperate and went to get his lawyer. -1967 ATF raids the Thoresen mansion in San Francisco and finds that the house is full of weapons and ammo. Everything from handguns to machine guns to bayonets to anti-aircraft weapons. Over the next few days, the ATF learns of warehouses where Thoresen has even more weapons and ammo, and they find a garage in his neighborhood where he has stored a cannon. In total, they confiscate over 77 tons worth of goodies. -1967 Charged with assault and bribery in Las Vegas after breaking Joan Jelke's nose and then handing two police officers $5000 in cash each and telling them to "lay off." -1967 charged with disorderly conduct and leaving the scene of an accident. -1970 after Thoresen is shot to death by his wife, police search the home they bought in Fresno (they were living there because that is where their trial was being held) and find a bunch more weapons and ammo, a bunch of heroin and LSD, and more than 50 lbs of high grade marijuana. Thoresen and an unidentified woman were to fly to Europe on the night of his death. Police believe he was running drugs. Police also re-searched his San Francisco mansion after his death and found that he was stockpiling weapons there again. They also found 7 slot machines in the home. Pretty weird. The pathologist found needle marks in Thoresen's arm. -No date available - Was arrested for beating up a neighbor who had kicked Thoresen's dog. William had once tried to push his mother from a 2nd story balcony, and had also tried to throw his wife from a 20th story hotel window in New York. Here is a link that mentions an attorney who had entered the Thoresen's 20th floor hotel room as William was trying to throw Louise out the window. www.newspapers.com/image/24193560/?terms=photo+of+william+thoresenHere are some other tidbits from various newspaper articles: -Thoresen once offered Joseph R. Hinojosa $250,000 to murder his parents. -Was questioned in the 1957 murder of Judith Mae Andersen. -Prime suspect in the 1966 murder of Valerie Percy. -Plotted to bomb Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas and then threatened another bombing in a plan to get $2.5 million. -Offered 3 different men to murder his wife, Louise. One of the men claimed that William asked him to kidnap Louise, stage an orgy in the desert and take photos. -Once asked a fellow inmate in S.F. to help him commit suicide. -Asked 2 different men at 2 different times to burn down his San Francisco mansion. -Planned to kidnap the child of a man who owed him money and "snuff the kid" if the man did not make good on his debt. -Assaulted one of his lawyers bad enough to put the man in the hospital. -Attacked his wife with an electric cattle prod, boxing gloves, a leather riding crop and shortly before she killed him, he tried to shove a knife into her vagina. He forced Louise to write 6 fake suicide notes the night before she killed him. He tried to get her to take a lethal dose of pills that night as well. -Paid a man named Harold Bell to kill Joe Hinojosa when he thought Hinojosa was sleeping with his wife. Thoresen realized this could probably be linked back to him so he called off the hit. He was barely able to contact Bell before he carried out the murder. Although he and Hinojosa were close friends, Thoresen believed he was sleeping with Louise, and maybe he was, although she denies it. I believe the police subjected her to some sort of testing to determine if she had slept with Hinojosa, but I could be wrong. Louise stayed with Hinojosa for a while because Thoresen had become more violent and had been beating her more frequently. I think Louise was pregnant in 1968 or 1969 and maybe had an abortion or lost the baby somehow. I forget, but I'm pretty sure I read that in her book. Thoresen denies having any involvement with the Minutemen, but a source has confirmed that the Minutemen did buy weapons from him and that Thoresen was running weapons to Central America. He was also smuggling drugs to Europe. *1969 S.F. Chronicle *1966 *1970 In the mid 70's, Louise wrote a book about her life with Bill but she left out a lot of important information. *"Vic" was Joe Hinojosa, who was mentioned up above.
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Post by grasshopper on Sept 9, 2018 22:23:42 GMT -8
read all about thoresen on your zodiac site good job digging up all that info guy was a total psychopath
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 21:40:50 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 21:42:39 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 21:58:45 GMT -8
The big question is this... did William Thoresen really collect all of these weapons for himself, or was he running weapons for groups such as the Minutemen? Valerie Percy was murdered in Sept. 1966 in Kenilworth, IL. Police found a bayonet in the lake behind the Percy residence, which they believe was the murder weapon. 3 months later, Louise Thoresen was arrested at Kennedy Airport in New York City. Bill and Louise had been all around the country buying up all the weapons they could. Bill was very abusive and controlling of Louise. He made her take some large boxes of weapons to the airport's lost & found for safe keeping. An employee of the airport was moving one of the boxes and a pistol fell out. They opened the other boxes and found an arsenal, so they reported to it the police who arrested Louise when she came back to claim the items. The Thoresen's rental car was searched, and the police found multiple weapons (including bayonets) and a large amount of ammunition. Police waited near the rental car for William to shop up so they could interview him about the Percy murder. When William showed up, he refused to answer any questions. So, you got the FBI wanting to question Thoresen about the murder and then they find out he had bayonets, the weapon they believe had been used to kill Valerie Percy, after Louise was arrested. William should have been arrested and held until he cooperated, but he was not. Some of the weapons seized were stolen government property. Dec. 1966: Now that is a serious amount of weapons, BUT that's not all. That is just what Bill & Louise had with them. While on their "shopping spree," William had made several other purchases of items to be shipped to him in San Francisco. The dumb ass has the FBI questioning him about a murder, and his wife has just been busted on serious gun violations, but he still goes out and keeps buying all kinds of weapons and ammo. He had even made a stop (at some point) at a Dallas gun shop owned and operated by one of the Dallas Minutemen who was most likely involved in the JFK assassination, but that's another story. For the NY bust, William was sentenced to 6 months in jail (although I don't believe he ever had to serve any of that time), fined $4,000 and placed on 9 1/2 years probation. Louise was fined $4,000 and placed on 3 years probation for aiding and abetting. The bust at Kennedy airport also lead to a bigger bust. The FBI looked through luggage in the rental car, and in a briefcase that was in the rental car they had found papers on some of Thoresen's weapons purchases that were to be shipped to him in San Francisco. This would lead to one of the biggest (maybe THE biggest) weapons busts in U.S. history. My next post will be about this bust.....
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:01:00 GMT -8
The FBI had got word out to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in San Francisco, and they, along with the S.F. branch of the FBI, set a plan in motion. I will have to find the date of when the Thoresen's mansion was raided. Nobody was home at the time the warrant was served, so agents went into the house and searched the place. Agents were shocked at what they found. I have to find a list, so I will post that later. Over the next few days, the agents had learned of other stockpiles that Thoresen had stashed in warehouses around the Bay area. He also had a cannon stored in a garage in his neighborhood. Yes, a cannon!! In all, the total amount of weapons and ammo seized weighed in at over 77 tons! A 27 ton stock of small arms, grenades and ammunition belonging to Thoresen was seized at a warehouse in Berkeley - April 1967. After the raid, the Thoresen's moved to Phoenix. William, who was already violent and unstable, really lost his mind in Phoenix. He would beat Louise more frequently and more violently. He increased his drug use, and Louise stated that she could tell that something was eating him alive. He would later confess to her that he had hired a hitman to kill his brother, Richard, and that he himself had killed the hitman months later. He also told Louise that he had killed other people, but did not mention any names or details. A source of mine has told me that the Thoresen's had a pilot who would fly guns to Chile for him. I have also read that Thoresen may have had a handler by the name of Dr. John Philip Nichols. Also worth noting is that Dr. Sid Siemer, also a pilot, knew the Thoresens and Nichols and also flew to Chile quite often. I do not know if any of this is true. Another source has confirmed to me that Thoresen DID sell guns to the Minutemen. This makes sense to a degree. Why else would Thoresen keep stockpiling weapons after being busted and while he was on trial? If he really was "just a collector," then I think he would have gave up on that after all the trouble he had gotten into. After Thoresen's death, police searched the home he and his family had been living in. It was a mansion in Fresno that William had purchased to live in while he and Louise were on trial (the trail was in Fresno). Police found another large amount of weapons as well as a large amount of drugs - more than 50 lbs of high grade marijuana and large amounts of LSD and heroin. Thoresen was supposed to leave for Europe later on the day of his death, and also had scheduled stops in Tangiers and Morocco. He was going to be taking this trip with an unidentified woman. Police believe that Thoresen was also moving drugs overseas. At Louise Thoresen's trial, a pathologist had testified that William had fresh needle marks on his right arm at the time of his death. The weapons found include two mortars, a .30 caliber machine gun, three other machine guns, 10 sub machine guns, numerous rifles and shotguns, 12 handguns, 8 silencers, 3 land mines, several hand grenades, more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition, multiple knives and a large amount of dynamite. Federal investigators then searched the San Francisco mansion again to find even more weapons and ammunition, including 9 rifles, 3 shotguns, 2 pistols, 70 sticks of dynamite and 1 machine gun. They also found 7 slot machines in the home. Outside of the Fresno home after Thoresen's death - ATF agent William Bertolani is holding a grenade in one hand and a pistol with a silencer in the other. Thoresen was charged with felony theft in 1959 for stealing 6 colored posters from a ferry terminal in Maine. This felony charge meant that he could not legally own a firearm. He tried to appeal the prior conviction in Maine before the gun trial began. openjurist.org/395/f2d/466/in-the-matter-of-william-e-thoresen-iii
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:02:27 GMT -8
The death of Richard Thoresen and disappearance of Dale Stoddard......... Richard Thoresen was shot behind the right ear with a .357 magnum pistol on Sept. 21, 1965. The gun was purchased for Richard by Louise Thoresen just a couple days prior to Richard's death. Louise and Richard had visited Smoke and Gun shop in Waukegan, WI. and Richard asked Louise to buy the gun for him, so she did. I believe they bought a few other guns on this visit to the shop as well, but I will have to double check. Richard was found dead in a rental car in Lake Forest, IL. the day before his trial on a burglary complaint signed by his father. Richard was shot once behind the right ear, but he was left handed so that should rule out suicide, but the Lake County Coroner's could never determine if it was homicide or suicide. Louise Thoresen (the rental car was in her name, btw) had told investigators that Richard had taught himself to shoot with both hands. Highly unlikely. IMO, William's lying had rubbed off on Louise by this point. I will have to find my notes for the details on the burglary case as well. From what I remember, the Thoresen brothers had stolen some of their father's files and were trying to get money out of their father. Richard's will was drawn up by San Francisco attorney Jake Ehrlich. The will left Louise $100,000, Michael (William and Louise's son) $20,000 to be administered in trust by William, and William was left the rest of Richard's money, his property and a large amount of stocks that were reportred to be worth more than half a million dollars. William paid a hitman, Dale Stoddard, to kill Richard so that William could get all of Richard's money. William later killed Stoddard when Stoddard showed up at William's mansion in San Francisco asking for more money. William hit Stoddard in the head with a hammer several times and then shot him a couple times to make sure he was dead. Thoresen placed Stoddard's body in a sleeping bag and filled it with heavy rocks and then threw it into the ocean.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:05:46 GMT -8
Valerie Percy murder..... In the summer of 1966, Charles F. Percy, a self-made millionaire, veteran of the second world war, and local golden boy, was campaigning to unseat three-term Illinois Senator Paul Douglas. The race was heating up, and Percy, a young Republican who recently failed in a bid to become the Illinois governor, was seeking to capitalize on discontent with the policies of President Lyndon B. Johnson. His daughter, Valerie Percy, age 21, had recently graduated from Cornell University and was now tirelessly helping manage his Senate campaign. At about 5:00 a.m. on September 18, 1966, with most of the family at home in their 17-room Kenilworth mansion on a three-acre estate overlooking Lake Michigan at this address, an intruder slashed through a copper screen, sawed through a pane of glass on a downstairs door, turned the handle, and let himself in. Valerie's step-mother, Loraine, was roused by the sound of breaking glass, but figured one of her kids knocked something over, so she drifted back to sleep. A few minutes later, she heard some grotesque moaning, so she crawled out of bed and walked down the hall to investigate. When she arrived at Valerie's room, she glimpsed a shadowy figure bent over the bed. The intruder immediately straightened up and pointed a flashlight at her, blinding her in the darkness. Loraine raced back to the bedroom and activated a panic button, triggering a burglar alarm on the roof. Valerie had been badly beaten and mutilated and was still clinging to life when her father reached her bedroom. He immediately called a physician and family friend who lived next door, but nothing could be done to save her. She had four cone-shaped puncture wounds in her skull and had been stabbed repeatedly -- six times around her nose and left eye, once in her neck, twice in the chest, and twice in the stomach. Nothing was stolen. Despite an intense investigation, the killer was never identified. In the wake of his daughter's murder, Charles Percy briefly suspended his Senate campaign. Perhaps as a result of the tragedy, he ended up victorious in the November election. He assumed office in January 1967 and served as U.S. Senator until January 1985, when he was replaced by Paul Simon. The home in which the murder occurred was an English manor house originally designed by Spencer Beman, Jr. in 1923. (Beman's father had designed the historic Pullman village.) The estate grew to include a guest house, tennis court, garden, and indoor swimming pool, and the Percys even had a boat hitched on the Lake Michigan shore. The house was sold in 1967 when the family moved to Washington, D.C., and was ultimately demolished over several weeks between April and May 2010. Here is a good read by a woman who knew Valerie Percy: mrslinklatersguidetotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2014/01/degrees-of-separation.htmlA deposit for $10,000 was put into Thoresen's bank account a couple days before Valerie's murder. Perhaps someone paid Thoresen to kill Valerie. I doubt it, but it is possible. "As the investigation continued there was a flurry of excitement when an 18-year-old Arizona youth told police in Tucson that he had been paid $75 by a stranger "to kill anyone in the Percy home." The youth later admitted he had made the story up." This is very interesting. Thoresen and a couple of friends used to light dynamite outside of a radio station in TUCSON, ARIZONA to scare the DJ, who supposedly was a friend of Thoresen. The police caught one of the friends, who told the police Thoresen was behind the dynamite pranks. The friend would not testify against Thoresen because he was scared to death of him, and rightfully so. Could there be a connection between Thoresen and this kid who said he was paid to kill anyone in the Percy home? Also worth noting is that Thoresen owed architect George Livermore quite a bit of money. He paid some of his bill, but not all of it. He still owed Livermore a great deal of money. Livermore lived at the corner of Washington & Cherry in 1967, but was listed at a different address in 1969 when the Paul Stine murder occurred. Money was a big deal to Thoresen (he once broke a waiter's arm over a 75 cent charge on his tab that he thought shouldn't be there) and he did not like to pay people he owed.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:08:57 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:14:01 GMT -8
Thoresen newspaper articles...... Wild Bill to the rescue!! This article is from 1957 and is the earliest article I have seen on Thoresen so far. It makes him seem like the "good guy," but I bet he was looking for trouble. Feb. 13, 1964 Tucson (AZ) Daily Citizen. This would have been Bill & Louise's second child: I found an article written last year on the SF Examiner website: www.sfexaminer.com/the-house-on-billionaires-row/I think their some minor mistakes in the article. It says that William used the money he got from his brother's death to move to SF, but he had actually been living there before his brother's death. Richard was actually going to be moving to SF himself but obviously didn't. "Stoney Richardson" was actually Dale Stoddard. "Stone Richardson" is what he was called in Louise's book.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:16:14 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:28:00 GMT -8
For the record, I do not believe that Bill Thoresen was Zodiac. But given that he was a psycho and that he lived one mile from the Stine murder scene, I do not count out the possibility of him having something to do with that particular murder. One theory I threw out there a long time ago was that Zodiac may have ended up at Thoresen's mansion to party one night at that the topic of murder came up. Maybe Thoresen brought up the murder of Dale Stoddard? "I killed a man with a hammer right here in this kitchen!" Zodiac then tells Thoresen "I am the Zodiac Killer." Thoresen asks him to prove it and as a result, Paul Stine is killed.Yes, I know this theory is wayyyy out there. But Thoresen was known to meet random people in the Presidio and would invite them back to his mansion to party until the sun came up.
I think there is a good chance that Zodiac hid in the home of Kjell Qvale after the Stine murder. I have wondered if Qvale and Thoresen knew each other. With Qvale being a major importer of sports cars and Thoresen being a collector, it's possible. Hell, they only lived about 8 blocks from each other.
Something else I was looking into was a second address for Thoresen listed in the 1960-1970 San Francisco directory. His home address, of course, was his mansion on Broadway. But he also is listed at 1651 Larkin St Apt 5. Supposedly he was managing an apartment building, and this may confirm that, I don't know. But why would he have an apartment when he had a nice mansion? My guess would be that this apartment is where he brought women when he would cheat on his wife. I was interested to know more about the other tenants of the apartment building just for the hell of it and here is what I found:
Apt. 1 William Crosswhite Apt. 2 KM Hewitt Apt. 3 Robert Schwarz Apt. 4 Martha Pezely Apt. 5 WM Thoresen Apt. 6 Edith Kostolnik Apt. 7 Gregory Lipscomb Apt. 8 Vacant Apt. 9 BA Rose Apt. 10 Zee K Wong Apt. 11 Edson L Hutchison Jr Apt. 12 Ernest Cikota
I cannot find a damn thing on Ernest Cikota, so I am thinking it is supposed to be Eugene Cikota, who was born 10/15/1942. He is still alive as far as I can tell, and living in Oakland. I found a yearbook photo of him and he doesn't look anything like the Stine composite. A website I found showed that he had a co-worker named Monica Anne Wong. There is a Zee K. Wong listed at the Larkin St address, in Apt. 10.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:29:00 GMT -8
I found that "Edson L. Hutchison Jr" should actually be HUTCHINSON. Here he is in the 1940 census: www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/California/Edson-Hutchinson-Junior_2k2fkqEdson Lewis Hutchinson Jr. is buried at Cypress Lawn Memorial Park in San Mateo Co. Cypress Lawn Memorial Park search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FindAGraveUS&h=36781346&indiv=try&o_cvc=Image:OtherRecordEdson L. HutchinsonBorn: Aug 26, 1864 Michigan Died: Dec 26, 1945 Hawaii Parents: Ira and Lois (Richards) Hutchinson Siblings: Clara L. Hutchinson Occupation: Dentist. Also worked in real estate. He has several dental patents. Married Alice Lillian Afong in 1890. Their wedding was attended by royalty. Apparently, the Afong family were a big deal. "Alice Afong weds Dr. Edson Lewis Hutchinson, a Maui dentist. They sail with the Afong party to Japan for their wedding trip – the Afong group continues on to China on the ship S.S. China." Photo of Edson and Alice on their honeymoon in Japan 1890: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alice_and_Edson_on_honeymoon_in_Japan.jpgEdson Lewis Hutchinson Sr.Born: Aug 18, 1891 India Died: Oct 27, 1968 San Francisco Parents: Edson L. Hutchinson and Alice Lillian Afong Hutchinson. Siblings: Unknown Occupation: Unknown Edson Lewis Hutchinson Jr. (the guy that lived in the same building as Thoresen) Born: Aug 27, 1920 Hawaii Died: Feb 25, 1987 Parents: Edson Lewis Hutchinson Sr. and Mary J. Hutchinson Siblings: None Occupation: Unknown Fun fact: Jamaica's earliest known serial killer was named Lewis Hutchinson. Lewis HUTCHINSON A.K.A.: "The Mad Master of Edinburgh Castle" Classification: Serial Killer Characteristics: Murdered for pure sport, what may be described as a thrill killing, as passers-by from all races, shapes, sizes, and incomes were fair game. Number of victims: 1 - 43 + Date of murder: 1760s - 1773 Date of birth: 1733 Victim profile: Travellers Method of murder: Shooting Location: Jamaica Status: Executed by hanging in Spanish Town on March 16, 1773 - See more at: www.serialkillercalendar.com/Lewis%20HUTCHINSON.php#sthash.HLGFwzJg.dpufLewis Hutchinson, also known as "the mad doctor", with a single shot would kill any lone passer-by. He would then force his slaves to throw the body of his victim in a sinkhole located on the property. In his worst dementia he would invite his victims to his castle where they would be entertained before being killed. There was also a man from Hawaii named Edson Mahui'a Lewis Hutchinson, who was born around 1914 and died in 2004. He was a police detective. I'm not sure if he is related to the family I posted above.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 22:30:37 GMT -8
Gregory Lipscomb (apartment 7).............. Gregory O. LipscombBorn: 1/25/1942 Los Angeles Education: University of Texas (BA 1963, LLB 1966); Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University (MPA 1978). Bar associations: Texas (1968), California (1972), District of Columbia (1978). MA Creative Writing from Johns Hopkins Occupations: State Attorney, Federal Communications Commission, Washington DC. Former positions held: San Francisco Chronicle (reporter) (!!!!!), Office of the California state Attorney General (staff attorney), California State Dept. of General Services (deputy director), Office of the US Senate Majority Leader (legislative assistant). Member of the Tejas Club (as was Lyndon Johnson's assassin, Malcolm Wallace). Married Mary Ellen Iskenderian on October 26, 1991. Not sure if they are still married, but I don't believe that they are. Lipscomb in 1963 (University of Texas most outstanding student): EDIT: I just found that this guy worked for the Chronicle from Feb. 1969 until Feb. 1971!! So he was in San Fran in 1969. He was also a Captain in the US Army Intelligence from March 1966 until March 1968. currently living in Austin, Texas. More recent photos: UPDATE: I had sent Greg a message via Facebook a couple of years ago, and he just recently replied. He stated that he did live at this address at that time, but does not recall ever meeting Thoresen.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 19:13:50 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 19:25:58 GMT -8
The FBI had got word out to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in San Francisco, and they, along with the S.F. branch of the FBI, set a plan in motion. I will have to find the date of when the Thoresen's mansion was raided. Nobody was home at the time the warrant was served, so agents went into the house and searched the place. Agents were shocked at what they found. I have to find a list, so I will post that later. Over the next few days, the agents had learned of other stockpiles that Thoresen had stashed in warehouses around the Bay area. He also had a cannon stored in a garage in his neighborhood. Yes, a cannon!! In all, the total amount of weapons and ammo seized weighed in at over 77 tons! A 27 ton stock of small arms, grenades and ammunition belonging to Thoresen was seized at a warehouse in Berkeley - April 1967. ___________- so where did all these guns and grenades etc supposedly come from originally? and what year is this they found them all? okay says they were seized in april 1967. hmmm. When were all the guns stolen from Fort Ord? 67-68? I can't remember, and when were all the guns and grenades and a tank stolen from Modesto armory? let me go find that if i can. And there were a bunch of guns crated that were stolen from a train. I don't remember what location they were put on the train or their destination, but they never made it. not sure when they went missing but was before winter of 69 and they were stashed for a period of time. After the raid, the Thoresen's moved to Phoenix. William, who was already violent and unstable, really lost his mind in Phoenix. He would beat Louise more frequently and more violently. He increased his drug use, and Louise stated that she could tell that something was eating him alive. He would later confess to her that he had hired a hitman to kill his brother, Richard, and that he himself had killed the hitman months later. He also told Louise that he had killed other people, but did not mention any names or details. A source of mine has told me that the Thoresen's had a pilot who would fly guns to Chile for him. I have also read that Thoresen may have had a handler by the name of Dr. John Philip Nichols. Also worth noting is that Dr. Sid Siemer, also a pilot, knew the Thoresens and Nichols and also flew to Chile quite often. I do not know if any of this is true. Another source has confirmed to me that Thoresen DID sell guns to the Minutemen. This makes sense to a degree. Why else would Thoresen keep stockpiling weapons after being busted and while he was on trial? If he really was "just a collector," then I think he would have gave up on that after all the trouble he had gotten into. After Thoresen's death, police searched the home he and his family had been living in. It was a mansion in Fresno that William had purchased to live in while he and Louise were on trial (the trail was in Fresno). Police found another large amount of weapons as well as a large amount of drugs - more than 50 lbs of high grade marijuana and large amounts of LSD and heroin. Thoresen was supposed to leave for Europe later on the day of his death, and also had scheduled stops in Tangiers and Morocco. He was going to be taking this trip with an unidentified woman. Police believe that Thoresen was also moving drugs overseas. At Louise Thoresen's trial, a pathologist had testified that William had fresh needle marks on his right arm at the time of his death. The weapons found include two mortars, a .30 caliber machine gun, three other machine guns, 10 sub machine guns, numerous rifles and shotguns, 12 handguns, 8 silencers, 3 land mines, several hand grenades, more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition, multiple knives and a large amount of dynamite. Federal investigators then searched the San Francisco mansion again to find even more weapons and ammunition, including 9 rifles, 3 shotguns, 2 pistols, 70 sticks of dynamite and 1 machine gun. They also found 7 slot machines in the home. Outside of the Fresno home after Thoresen's death - ATF agent William Bertolani is holding a grenade in one hand and a pistol with a silencer in the other. Thoresen was charged with felony theft in 1959 for stealing 6 colored posters from a ferry terminal in Maine. This felony charge meant that he could not legally own a firearm. He tried to appeal the prior conviction in Maine before the gun trial began. openjurist.org/395/f2d/466/in-the-matter-of-william-e-thoresen-iii
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 28, 2019 21:29:41 GMT -8
Thoresen claimed that he was going to open a museum full of antique weapons of things like that, but the truth is that he was supplying weapons to the Minutemen and I suspect other radical groups and he was also flying weapons to Central America. Thoresen had his brother murdered, inherited his fortune, and then went around the country buying up all the weapons and ammo he could get his hands on. He bought a lot from a gun shop in Virginia I remember. He even had J. Curtis Earl join him on a cross country trip where they made several stops to purchase weapons.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 28, 2019 21:35:28 GMT -8
Here is a great write-up of Louise's book that I just found from 1974. It doesn't mention Thoresen being a suspect in the Andersen or Percy murders because the FBI must have kept a lid on that. www.nytimes.com/1974/03/24/archives/it-gave-everybody-something-to-do-by-louise-thoresen-with-e-m.htmlLouise Thoresen writes about 10 years of courtship, marriage, child‐rearing and deterioration with a wealthy, sadistic, murderous lunatic. William Thoresen was never really the misunderstood kid he played so often; after age 13 everybody in his life seemed to know he was as mean as this memoir, devoid of any redeeming social or psychological insights. Largely self‐justifying, pseudo‐remorseful, his widow (and executioner) remains just as insensifive to who he and she were together and what was going on between them from day to day as she must have been during all their years together. “Despite everything rotten he'd been responsible for in my life,” she writes here, “I loved him deeply.” Intimidated by William's accounts of an unhappy childhood and manipulated by the prospects of a million‐dollar family inheritance, as well as William's never‐ending quarrel with his Kenilworth, Ill., parents, she accepted every new humiliation. Louise became a practiced petty thief, allowed herself to be set up for police arrests, provided alibis and shelter for William, and participated in his childish rampages against the family's property and respectability. Eventually she was a coconspirator in a nationwide illegal, arms purchasing tear during which over 70 tons of munitions were accumulated in the Thoresens’ San Francisco mansion. One morning, about three‐and‐a‐half years ago, in their cluttered Fresno ranch house, Louise was afraid for her life. William wanted to kill her. She reached for his pistol and shot and killed him. She was tried and acquitted of murder, and, when released, dictated this book to the author of “The Dirty Dozen.” Married couples almost always deserve each other, but William Thoresen was unusually angry, a loner, hostile and destructive — and rather open about it, too. Never mind that before he was 21 he had gone through a number of boarding schools and mental institutions, that he never learned a trade or acquired an education, that he regularly smashed up cars, terrorized young women and fought with authority. William apparently married Louise to escape commitment by his family to a state mental institution. Later, William became increasingly nomadic, a remittance man and a parasite. Moving back and forth from Chicago to Phoenix to Tucson (with frequent sorties to Los Angeles and San Francisco). William got his kicks from drugs and setting off explosives; he turned to LSD and other women. He stole more than a half a million dollars worth of securities in a duffle bag from his parents’ cellar vault because, he claimed, it was his legacy and he had been cheated out of at least another half‐million. To compensate for this, William conned his younger brother into writing a will making him his sole heir for at least another million. While alleged to be abroad, he wrote a contract for his brother's murder with a semiprofessional chum; eventually he murdered that chum, too. Though Louise was forced to participate in almost all of these schemes without really knowing what was going on, she devotedly hung in there. After all, she says, she had a son, and it may also be true that a million and a half bucks is a lot of money to a kid from a workingclass Chicago family. In fact, it was only after William had depleted his varibus legacies and was strung out on drugs and a number of felony charges, had slipped Louise LSD and forced her to undergo rape and a miserable abortion, and had also threatened to murder her for being unfaithful to him, that she finally left him to file for divorce. But she was easily cajoled back, she claims, because he needed her. William did. This time he beat her with his fists, stabbed her with knives, razor‐hacked her, forced her to compose her own suicide notes to her family and friends, and then urged on her an overdose of Seconal. Came the night, after a whole week of such torture, when he confessed all his murders, as well as that he was trying to get her, too; also that he was hoping for a reconciliation with his family so that they would take care of him again. Louise woke up in the morning ready to kill somebody. I guess she really was in touch, at last, with how scared to death she of William. It's hard to stay with the persistent viciousness, squalor and cruelty of this account Stripped of its headline‐story appeal, on the periphery of the Haight‐Ashbury scene of the sixties, it's a not‐too‐distinguished memoir of a couple of rather gloomy, angry, depressed, not very bright kids, putting each other on with words like love and devotion until “death do us part.” But, ‘as told in a lot of flattened‐out “as told to” language by this dreary woman, it leaves one wondering if words like anger and rage and manipulation are really satisfactory explanations for what transpired between William
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 6, 2019 21:10:35 GMT -8
There were alot of military bases that had weapons go missing in the 60s Oph, didnt Thoresen possess some stolen miltary weapons? I seem to recall something like that from your old site And how do you know he was selling to the Minutemen? Just wondering
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Post by amazingates on Nov 9, 2019 10:39:29 GMT -8
There were alot of military bases that had weapons go missing in the 60s Oph, didnt Thoresen possess some stolen miltary weapons? I seem to recall something like that from your old site And how do you know he was selling to the Minutemen? Just wondering ______________ I was just going to ask about that --were any of these weapons stolen out of military bases, specifically, Fort Ord, Monterey, or the armory in Modesto, Ca? does anyone know. I would really be interested to know that.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 18, 2019 3:38:13 GMT -8
There were alot of military bases that had weapons go missing in the 60s Oph, didnt Thoresen possess some stolen miltary weapons? I seem to recall something like that from your old site And how do you know he was selling to the Minutemen? Just wondering ______________ I was just going to ask about that --were any of these weapons stolen out of military bases, specifically, Fort Ord, Monterey, or the armory in Modesto, Ca? does anyone know. I would really be interested to know that. I have seen some files that said that the FBI believed that some of Thoresen's weapons were stolen from military bases. I'm pretty sure they connected some of them to a base in California, but I can't remember which base it was. I'll see if I can find that information again. I would also be interested to know more about his drug running activities. That is something I never really looked into, but I do think Zodiac may have been a character created to cover up a massive drug smuggling operation.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 18, 2019 19:35:00 GMT -8
well I know the armory in Modesto was hit for guns, grenades and at least one tank. I can't remember if one tank or two, I think it was one. I know a bunch of people who got arrested for doing that. this was probably in 1969-70
then there were tons of Guns out of fort ord, monterey back about 1968-69.
There should be news articles on both of these. well I know there are some on the fort ord ones because I remembered when it happened and someone I knew they name came out of the front of the newspaper about it. they were funneling all kinds of guns out of fort ord. Maybe I can find the old articles.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 27, 2020 22:01:52 GMT -8
I just ran into this posted by the Zodiac articles in the news, so I'll stick it over here. Lompoc Record (Lompoc, CA) November 17, 1970
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Post by zodiacmaniac on Jul 22, 2020 19:17:10 GMT -8
Nice work on Zodiac. What's missing from your synopsis of his rap sheet is, I believe it was in 1962, he pleaded down a rape charge in Santa Monica, CA. My new book Zodiac Maniac pins the Zodiac murders on him but the truth is, he killed more people before his Zodiac days than after. Wish I could put it all down for you here but there's just too much.
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Post by zodiacmaniac on Jul 22, 2020 19:19:54 GMT -8
A recent online review for the aforementioned book:
Bob S. 5.0 out of 5 stars New Zodiac candidate you've never heard about.... Reviewed in the United States on June 17, 2020 Verified Purchase Any true crime fan needs to get acquainted with the strange life and history of William Thoresen, arguably one of the most under-the-radar psychopaths in the annals of crime. Author Glenn Wall's first book introduces the reader to Thoresen in his terrific book, "Sympathy Vote - The Reinvestigation of the Valerie Percy murder", the baffling murder of the daughter of soon to be Senator Charles Percy in 1966. As a young boy living in the Chicagoland area, I vividly remember the fear and fascination this horrific murder had and continues to have, as the case has inexplicably never been solved. Wall presents a compelling case for suspecting that Thoresen was the shadowy figure seen in the bedroom on that tragic night. A person of means,Thoresen was the son of a wealthy family living just blocks from the Percy residence and was well known to the local police. Wall's follow-up book, "Zodiac Maniac" continues to follow Thoresen's travels through other suspected crimes/murders and his curious hobby of collecting roomfuls of old WWII era weapons. His wealth leads to a new life in Northern California, which becomes the backdrop for another unsolved string of crimes, the notorious Zodiac murders. Now, the author presents a new Zodiac candidate who never was considered due a fascinating mixture of legal maneuvering thanks to wealth, bureaucratic bungling, federal vs state/local inter-department non-cooperation and good ol' cover your ass incompetence. I recommend picking up both books. You'll not want to put them down.
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