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Post by amazingates on Nov 30, 2019 22:58:09 GMT -8
Cheri Jo Bates - Why Her? Is There Something We Don't Know?
I'm still thinking about the school paper project Cheri was working on, how she called the bank to see if she might have left her papers there, as she obviously did not have them when she got to the college. I wonder if she went to the bank and went inside, if someone took them out of her car?
I also read that when the police were investigating they found two books on government in her car. This means absolutely nothing, but then again, to some weirdo, maybe it did mean something and so the person took her papers to see what she was writing about. We can't really know how killers' minds work. If her paper was even "slanted" in the least to the opposite side of this killer's thinking, that might have been all it took for him to hunt her down and kill her.
I still need to go through all her friends and anything else we can find about her and her friends to see if she was even remotely tied to anyone or anything to do with radical thinking; not that SHE was radical in any way, but someone she knew might have been, and she could have been seen hanging out with these people in other circumstances. It did not take much to be labeled as a radical in those days. All you had to do is be seen with someone who was.
Just some thoughts... because there seems to maybe be some "under-the-surface" hint of something RADICAL going on in the Z case(or at least that is my thought) then I'm wondering if Cheri Jo Bates' father(Joseph C Bates) might have had something going on that caused the killing of Cheri? Maybe it really wasn't about Cheri personally? I have a couple of ideas here.
Or what if it is the name Joseph Bates that caused her to be "picked"
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Post by amazingates on Nov 30, 2019 23:12:08 GMT -8
I was actually look at the SDA (Seventh-Day Adventist) connection with Cecilia Shepard and Bryan Hartnell. So I knew a "bit" about SDA from having friends who were SDA, but thought I really needed to go look at it more. So I went to the History of the SDA church and found out that the Co-founder of the SDA was name Joseph Bates. That got me to wondering if Cheri Jo Bates' father Joseph C Bates might be related to the co-founder of the SDA... and if not(and probably not, but I'm looking), did the killer mistakenly think he had the Co-Founder of the SDA family, and he does not like something to do with SDA... It's possible. Unlikely but possible, so I thought I better take a look. So I'm doing that right now...
The other thing is, like I said before, Cheri Jo Bates was popular, people liked her, she was a cheer leader, active is student government, was writing a paper that just "poofed" someone and she could not find it. And she had government book from the library in her car. This too might have set the killer off? It should not have, but again, we don't know what sk's are thinking or what sets them off.
So what I'm trying to do if find anything at all in the lives of Cheri Jo Bates and her Father which is purely innocent(I don't think they were doing anything weird), but seemed to be something that Zodiac just did not like... even a little thing like sympathizing with the Black Movements, with war protesters, having the wrong beliefs that conflicted with the killer etc.
Maybe Zodiac did not like religions at all and perhaps he hated Catholics, or SDA(got the wrong Joseph C Bates Family.
so I just want everyone to know why I'm going to dig into this family... not because I think they are doing anything wrong ... but rather that maybe Zodiac has some whacked out idea that anyone associated in any way with something is a reason to kill them.
I started trying to figure out anything at all about Cheri Bates' father, anyone the family is connected to etc... so I'm just going to start compiling any info I come across. Then we can go through it all and see if it has anything at all in common with the other victims.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 30, 2019 23:57:12 GMT -8
One of the first things I tried to figure out is if Cheri Jo's father, Joseph C Bates is related to or connected in any way to the Co-founder of the SDA church. There is not a whole lot of info out there on Cheri's father. I'll post what I have as I find it. Cheri Josephine Bates1948–1966 BIRTH 4 FEBRUARY 1948 • Omaha, Douglas County, Nebraska, United States of America DEATH 31 OCTOBER 1966 • Riverside, Riverside County, California, United States of America So Cheri's mother's side of the family is from Yankton County, South Dakota.Her mothers Maiden name seems to come up with different spellings California, Death Index, 1940-1997Name Cheri J Bates Social Security #557686563 Gender Female Birth Date 4 Feb 1948 Death Date 31 Oct 1966 Death Place Riverside Mother's Maiden Name Karolevi (no tz on the end)Irene Margaret Karolevitz Bates (as above with tz on the end)BIRTH 27 Jun 1919Lesterville, Yankton County, South Dakota, USADEATH 4 Jul 1969 (aged 50)Riverside County, California, USABURIAL Saint Marys Catholic CemeteryDante, Charles Mix County, South Dakota, USAMEMORIAL ID 115000167 · And her maternal Grandfather spelled it differently alsoVladislav Karolewicz (wicz on the end rather than vitz)BIRTH 1891PolandDEATH 14 Jun 1926 (aged 34–35)Yankton County, South Dakota, USABURIAL Saint Wenceslaus Catholic CemeteryTabor, Bon Homme County, South Dakota, USAPLOT Lot 25, Block 4MEMORIAL ID 110668483
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Cheri's Father Joseph C Bates
Cheri was born 1948 in Omaha Nebraska, and I still find her father and mother in Nebraska(Fremont, NE) through 1957 (City Directories) Then they are in San Bernardino in 1958
May 7, 1951 Fremont Tribune, Fremont NE It looks like they just moved there from Bellevue (NE? most likely)
Around May 1951 buys a Texaco Gas Station in Fremont, NE *see article below
1952 Fremont, NE (City Directory) They own a Texaco Gas Station
January 27, 1953 Fremont Tribune NE.. they have friends over who all are from Valentine Ted Hornstra and Harry Peyton (and their wives)
they still own it in 1955 (City Directory) Fremont NE
Fremont Tribune November 14, 1955 Joseph Bates Sales the Texaco Gas Station to Otto Manske The article says he had the station for 4 1/2 yrs, so they must have bought it around May or 1951
1957 City Directory, Joseph C Bates is listed as a salesman for Allstate Insurance
1958 Joseph C Bates and wife Mrs Irene Bates 5552 Riverside Drive, Chino (Voter Registration R)
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Post by amazingates on Dec 1, 2019 0:15:13 GMT -8
When Cheri was killed it is said her father Joseph C Bates was a machinist at the Naval Ordinance laboratory at nearby Corona. One place said her mother was dead, and another said her mother was in a rest home. Her brother was in the Navy.
I just noticed the news article also said Cheri's shoes were missing? Did the killer take them? (hmmm)
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Post by amazingates on Dec 1, 2019 0:19:50 GMT -8
February 6, 1953 Fremont Tribune, Fremont NECheri's parents are having a birthday party for her 5th birthday. This is at there home in Fremont, NE so we know they are there Guests are Lyle Morgan, Jane Reed, Robert Anderson, Barbara and Michael Bracket and Michael Bates(Cheri's Brother) So it seems they had friends and were in the paper for having the party. December 31, 1954, Fremont TribuneMrs Frank Merkwan of Wagner, South Dakota is visiting the Joseph C Bates Home. Fremont Tribune Mar 21, 1956Joseph C Bates still working at Allstate Insurance
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Post by amazingates on Dec 1, 2019 1:00:44 GMT -8
April 4, 1955 Fremont Tribune, Fremont, NE Someone stole Joseph C Bates' Camera
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Post by amazingates on Dec 1, 2019 2:34:28 GMT -8
I just cannot find Joseph C Bates (Cheri's father) birthdate. There are so many, I have to be certain I have the right one. And I'm not certain which it is. There are a ton of them in nebraska, and one of the older ones, about the age to be his father(Joseph's father), is there working at an orphanage. I'm beginning to wonder if he were an orphan. I usually don't have this hard a time finding someone. I have been through all the news ads trying to get a relative of his I can find his family through, but I can't seem to be sure if any are him. hmmm. I'll look more tomorrow.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 6, 2019 21:41:17 GMT -8
This is cut from the Riverside City College Library letter on the Ross Sullivan thread theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/221/suspect-ross-sullivanHmm I wonder how true it is that Ross' younger brother's foster father was supposedly the pastor of Cheri Jo Bates' church?
What church is that?
who is the foster father? .. also if they lived in a tiny room at the "Y".. who else did they know from there? Did any of their friends end up going to church with Ross' brother? I don't even know if what is said here is true, but it's interesting, not because I think this points to Ross Sullivan(or doesn't)(I'm a zodiac is a group person), but it might tie in somewhere, so making a note of this. this was also in the ross sullivan thread the article is from feb 5 1956 so he was a Chaplain at the YMCA in 1956? he was born July 28, 1941... so he was a chaplain at 14 yrs old oh, I see that is for Junior High, ok then that makes sense. So he is a Chaplain... and is younger brother's foster father is supposedly the pastor of Cheri Jo Bates' Church?
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