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Post by amazingates on Oct 25, 2019 9:10:19 GMT -8
Strange Communications Of Dennis Rader - What Is He Saying?
I know Dennis Rader wrote to a lot of people when in jail. After he was transferred to El Dorado he was restricted how many letters he could write, so his letters to people dwindled a lot for awhile. Then at some point I see he was writing quite a bit again. During that period of letter-writing when he was in jail, we saw some of the letters he was writing out. Most of them were just normal every every day sharing, but there were a few that were written with strange poetry, weird drawings and coded letters. The the writing dwindled down when he got to El Dorado. When it picked by up again, I've noticed (I had not really looked for awhile) that there were a few more strange letters and meaningful drawings being sent out.
I received some of these strange ones myself. They are in storage now but I will get them out and share them when I have the chance to dig through stuff and find the boxes.
Did anyone else receive any of these letters, drawings and poems that seemed to be saying something other that what was being said? If so, I think we should get them all together and see if we can make sense out of them and see what he is really saying. I know he has a lot to say that for obvious reasons he can't just blurt it out in the open. I know at one time a lot of his letters were confiscated as well as mine to him. There were suppose to be 2 packages coming out to me and those never made it out. At that time Kris Casarona had been getting a lot of info from Dennis Rader for the book she was suppose to write(never happened), and so that caused a major confiscation as well, so I'm not sure if my stuff got confiscated right along with that(just a fluke), or if it was because of what Dennis Rader and I were writing about. After that happened I stopped writing. I did not like the idea that the feds were confiscating all our correspondence. I figured at that point something was going on that I did not want to be entangled with.
With all of that said, I think Dennis Rader was very well trying to "tell us something" in all his crazy communications. I know a lot of people believe he is a Zodiac Copycat and that Dennis Rader is dumb etc (he did send in the floppy); but I do not think he is dumb at all. Maybe in the one respect regarding the floppy and being too trusting of people, but in other ways he's actually very intelligent. He does code in his letters, drawings and poems; not in all of them, but in mine and a few other people's who's letters I have seen, he does. I want to know what exactly he is saying. I think the more of these communications we can go through, the more they will tell us. I think there is still a lot about Dennis Rader we do not know.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 27, 2019 1:22:07 GMT -8
That's cool that you talked to him through letters! I have heard about strange messages he had written but never actually seen any of them in person or on the interwebs. I do remember something about a BTK book that somebody had bought that had an actual drawing by Rader tucked inside the cover of the book, if I remember correctly.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 16:52:53 GMT -8
Until I can get mine out of storage (they are packed away in boxes, stuffed who knows where in there)... I will try to get some off the net and ask a few people I know who got them if they will post them or at least let us know what they said. I know another person who got letters and cards from him that were in the same style of mine and we use to compare them with what each other had.
He did also tell me that he was in California a few times, coming from the bay area, down in to the central valley, over a pass with a lot of windmills. That would most likely have been the Altamont Pass coming out of Livermore??? (my guess). I use to travel that road a lot then, so I pretty well know exactly where he was describing. I'm thinking this was back in the 70's, when they first put up those windmills out there? it was coming out of Livermore down into the outskirts of modesto and Tracy. then we would come on through 132 maze. I don't know why he would be coming down into that area. He said he was in Cali visiting relatives. He did have a cousin in Sacramento I think, but that is not the route to Sacramento then. And he was coming from the Bay Area so not sure why he was over there in the first place. Who did he know over there? Maybe just wanted to go see the Bay Area?
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 17:20:25 GMT -8
Dennis Rader is always talking about HOOK AND ECHO... Doppler Radar...He draws funny greek symbols and talks about "the family" but he's not talking about his family nor mine. I can't remember exactly what one card said but it was a poem something about a frog pond and come around and you drown. I'll have to find it in it's original context to show you the meaning of it. The weirdest letter I got was telling me exactly what my property and house looked like, drew pictures of my dogs, exactly what they looked like, described my vehicles, described my porch, the location of the geological surroundings you could see from my living room window, described things inside my shed in the back, and said how one of my dogs likes to follow and nip at your heels(which one of mine always did that. I had written to him under my real name, but when he wrote back the very first time, he addressed me by my chat screen name, which I never mentioned that was who I was. That was pretty weird. So I know he knew who I was online. I know this sounds really bizarre, but I use to have an online private chat and there use to be just me and 3 other people who ever came there and there was this one person who use to come in and talk to me about BTK, and I always thought it was him. After I received the letter from him, and he addressed me by my chat screen name, then I was pretty sure, yes, it was him I had been talking to. Crazy stuff, I know, but it happened He also draws the cirlce Z symbol with the x's around it. One of my large manila envelopes of stuff he sent to me has the large "criss-crossed" writing across the back of the envelope like Z wrote when Z wrote "sorry no cipher". BTK also (even from jail where stamps are worth a lot) use to plaster weigh too many stamps on my letters. Some of the letters the s's have squiggles from it to look like squiggly z's. One time he sends out a full page color news page of a Tornado and signs his name on it. never says anything, just that with his name signed. He also will take my letters, use colored pencils and underline or circle certain words in it and he cirlced the word Blood in red and made comment in red letters that said "YES!" I really have not looked at these letters in a long time. I need to go back through them all again. I have forgotten a lot of what they said.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 2:04:01 GMT -8
Man, check this out if you haven't seen it yet. theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/299/340-cipher-grid-john-roseThat is crazy, I wonder how the hell he knew all that about you just from you sending him a letter. The guy is a genius and it really sounds like he has spent many years trying to challenge people to figure out his puzzles/codes. I really never saw him as a good Zodiac suspect, but over the last few days the things I have been reading are making me reconsider.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 17:53:38 GMT -8
Man, check this out if you haven't seen it yet. theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/299/340-cipher-grid-john-roseThat is crazy, I wonder how the hell he knew all that about you just from you sending him a letter. The guy is a genius and it really sounds like he has spent many years trying to challenge people to figure out his puzzles/codes. I really never saw him as a good Zodiac suspect, but over the last few days the things I have been reading are making me reconsider. ___________ I know this sounds insane, but I believe he was at my house. I believe I was talking to him on the net and he came out to California to my house( or had someone else come out there). Someone did, and no one else was describing my house and there is no way to even get near my house. You had to HIKE in through the woods. I was behind 3 locked gates in the backcountry. And whoever came, decided to screech and scream as they were coming across the open land out there and the 3rd time they came, they left a fox head and paws at the back corner fence where I had fenced off 3 acres for a yard. It was the most insane thing I've ever experienced. anyway enough of that story, but yes, he knows things. He tells me he KNOWS THINGS. He's a bit creepy at times. Let me go read your link
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 21:21:37 GMT -8
I would bet that he had someone go to your house and pass on some details to him. In which case, who? And what else has this other person done for Rader? This makes me think of the group theory. Rader is in prison but the rest of the group is out there and they like to mess with peoples' heads.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 22:13:50 GMT -8
I would bet that he had someone go to your house and pass on some details to him. In which case, who? And what else has this other person done for Rader? This makes me think of the group theory. Rader is in prison but the rest of the group is out there and they like to mess with peoples' heads. ___________________- Well I always thought it was weird that he would drive clear to cali to do that... and it was 3 times... it was about a month apart each time and was between 1 am - 3am when that noise would wake us up. We are mountain people and we know animal sounds and this was NO animal. It was traveling about the pace of someone walking and letting out these blood curdling screeching noises, not a mt lion I know how bad they can be. and we did not have mt lions in that area anyway. It was 10000% a person hiking in there and screeching every so often, letting us know they were coming. The first two time they did that, they kept on going past the back of our house(we had 40 acres and 3 acres were fenced around the house for the dogs... and so they would walk behind the back fence behind the house and on down this small ridge after you got past our property. no one else lived out there for miles so we were the only ones with thousands of acres of land with trees and a small ridge. We went out the next morning on those two occasions and saw nothing. we could see where someone had walked and smashed the dry natural grass back there and they had went on down the hill but that was it.... the 3rd time they came we were like okay, enough of this crap.. we got a huge spot light and decided when it got up near the house we would spot light it and whatever... so it was coming and we waited. Finally, it got up behind our house fence and we got by the back porch and spotlighted out there but did not want to leave the light on because we were lighting ourself up as a target... so we would flash it on and then off and did not see anything. so it got up to where it was going to end up going down the ridge so we blasted the light . It had already went behind the trees and going down the ridge... but we could see red eyes shining at the corner of the fence. i was like oh hell no we are not going out there til daylight . so the next morning we go out and facing the house, was this fox head at the corner post of the fence. there were two paws cut off at the elbows placed in front of the fox face. I picked them up and they were still wet with blood and they have been razor sharp cut off and the head also at the neck was a razor sharp cut... not one bite mark etc from any animal. someone had cut those. the rest of the fox was no where to be found. I have photos of it on one of my old computers. I never at that time thought of anyone at all who would do that. It was crazy...but then when I got the letter describing my house and everything there and in my yard and in my shed etc.. and I thought wow, I bet he came here. And I don't know what at the time I didn't click on it, that maybe he sent someone here.. but at that time I did know anything about zodiac case etc. but I did always believe that DR did not act alone and I have my own weird thoughts about what the heck he was really all about too. but for him to know about all that stuff at my house, someone had to be there in the daytime. Cuz they would not have seen my dogs at night for him to be able to draw my dog, because my dogs were in the house at night.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 22:20:01 GMT -8
I'll have to get the letters out to remember exactly what he said about "the family". But he said something one time about me being the family or part of the family or something like that. he was not talking about his family nor my family. I thought well WHAT family are you talking about. off the top of my head I forgot how he worded it
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Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 22:52:13 GMT -8
God I hate to put this out here, I'm going to sound insane... but.....
this person had been in my private chat for some time. and I kept thinking who is this because it was so weird and they kept telling me about BTK and all kinds of things about him. but I just kept talking to them. they would tell me things about the btk case that was info not out there that no one knew about. After he got arrested what this person had told me turned out to be true. so one night this person came in and asked me if I wanted to talk to BTK, and I said oh that would be cool. Didn't even think they really meant it. So they kept saying are you sure, and I kept saying yes... so this other person was there and they asked if I wanted to play a game. I said sure... so it was a word game. and they wrote something and I had to figure out what it meant. So I love word games so I said okay. so they told me, well if you don't get it right, I'm going to kill you. so I said okay. So they said do you still want to play. and I said yes. so we started playing this game of coded words and I had to figure out what it said. thank god I was getting it right haha. I thought omg what if this is really him and he is going to kill me if I get this wrong... but I've always been cryptic since I was a kid so I just kept trying and I was getting it right. But then it started getting harder and harder and I was having a hard time figuring it out... so then they asked me if I wanted to learn a code and I said sure... so they taught me this code... this went on for months...and this other person knew the code. it was just bizarre... but when I chatted with them I could tell there were two different people. it was like one would be chatting and then someone else took over and was kinda mean at times. it was just crazy... and the whole time they were telling me about BTK. Then one day they had me go over to ks.com and post something, which I had no idea what I was posting but I did it. OMG... all hell broke loose and I started getting threatened. And not only that I posted some things from the code game and the police actually asked me about it and asked me how I knew and I told them oh I just Guessed it. and they were like that is true and no one knows that but us so how do you know that. and I was like "I don't know"... I would not tell them. but I had posted it and I knew he had a bomb. And they were like why did you say that. and I said, I don't know. So I had been talking to someone and was asking everyone where is the church with the white cross, and so the cops found out about that. I did not even know what the heck I was saying I was just decoding stuff I saw on ks.com by using the code this person was teaching me. And it would say where he was going and what he was doing next and one of the victims that they didn't even know he did it at that time. and some spoon with something tied on it and a pink shirt with Kitten written on it and where he left it etc...and that he lived with the ditch running behind his house. and always talking about a "frog pond" anyway, it all turned out to be true. and one of his victims was NANCY FOX, so I had assumed that is why someone left the FOX head at my house.
Then after he was arrested I wrote and never told him who I was, I wrote with my real name and that was it. He writes back and says HI ____ (using my screen name) not the name I used when I wrote to him. he told me he just KNOWS things and has a 6th sense. so I wrote back to him and asked him how he knew that and he sent me letters with a drawing of one of my dogs on the envelope and started describing my house.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 23:21:55 GMT -8
one letter he sent me a real photo he had taken and he had it in jail, so someone had to bring that to him..and it was pretty dark like it was night time, and it looked like a hedge and a hole in the ground and it had a tulip on it. so I could not figure that out. so on the back was a date and said something about buying a tulip in holland. so I started looking about holland and figured out he was talking about Holland michigan. So I did some researching and talked to him more and found out that he goes there. so it was about this tulip and holland michigan. so Michigan clicked with me and I thought hmmm michigan connection...
by this time I started looking at the Zodiac case... and the other person who use to come to my chat who also knew this code, who I had been talking with for almost 3 years, proceeds to tell me about Michigan and the Zodiac. So I'm thinking okay this is weird, first I'm told all this stuff about btk, now I'm being told all this stuff about zodiac. so I decide to get out the btk puzzle and look at it. it had already been solved, but I'm thinking that's too easy, something is not right, so I started using the code to work on it. and I found a 2nd layer. and the code was working.
so I did the puzzle's 2nd layer and in the very center was the word Zodiac. So that is when I started wondering, Is BTK the zodiac. So then I thought well if he is the Zodiac then someone else knows about it, because someone else knows this code... So I try to figure out just what is this code and how do I make it work on the Zodiac case. I'm thinking this is so much like a code I've known since I was 17 years old. But it was a bit more in depth.
By this time the other chatter is gone bye bye the highway, and DR is in prison and I'm trying to code to him in and out of prison and everything gets confiscated... so I quit writing to him.
so i'm strugging to use this code to figure out the z case but I see it looks like it is going to work, but I need help. I keep trying to find that old chatter. they are nowhere to be found, so then the Eureka card pops up.... and blam, here comes that chatter again. So I'm trying to figure out what this dang Eureka card is about and by now I realize that this other person knows about it. So I'm working on this card and it ends up taking me to Nevada to some mining stuff so now I remember that DR is constantly talking about the MOTHERLODE, which is definitely a mining term...so then I'm looking around and bump into this magazine. then something takes me to this lady in walnut creek or Concord or somewhere by there. And I get the name of her relatives and I find this guy in Eureka who is her husband or something(been a long time ago, I have this all written down in boxes)... so I end up in Eureka finding him. so I post about it... omg... wrong thing to do, Tom is furious and screams at me for posting about this guy... I have no clue why. so we get into a fight haha. And I'm thinking, what the hell is wrong with him? !! haha... so that made me more curious and I start researching the heck out of this guy.
I connected him up all over the place to the zodiac case(even though they say he does not connect) but he does. so then the chatter disappears again. so I go looking at this magazine, and I really don't know how I got to where I went but I ended up on THE NATIONS... and I'm reading along thinking what the hell does this have to do with anything. so then I see the crossword puzzle. but not a normal crossword puzzle. It's a cryptic crossword puzzle, so I think okay I'm tired of this case, I'll work this puzzle... so started working it and thought, wait a minute, this is the same cryptic clues as btk and the chatter use. I'm thinking this is just an advanced version of the code I was taught as a teenager by some old korean war vet. And this looks a lot like the stuff I use to have from my dad's stuff when I was a kid. it's what got me interested in cryptics in the first place when I was young.
so I think okay, I'm going to go try this stuff on the btk letters I have, so I did, and it works. It is the same thing but more advanced. So then I think, okay I'm going to go try it on the Zodiac communications, and it works. I thought omg, they are using the same codes.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 17, 2019 12:19:46 GMT -8
I went to my storage and can't find my BTK communications yet (probably in my warehouse), so I decided for now just to pull a few letters/drawings off the net that are out there that BTK sent to other people. These are a lot newer than the ones I have, mine our from earlier, these are later, but I could not find any of the early communications and cards BTK had sent to other people...Most of those were not strange, except for a few, but now I find a few that I see are coded.
I'll post a couple here, as they tie into my thoughts on BTK connected to Zodiac. I would love to have all the older ones that were out there and any other newer ones that are not out there. I know he sent 100's of these out, but where are they all. If we had them all together, we could PIECE them together, just like he tells us to do. But where are they? If anyone can find any of btk's letters or drawings or poems, please post them on here. He's telling a story in them. He will give us a LOT of info. I know how to decode them.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 17, 2019 12:36:35 GMT -8
I'll say a little here and I'll start a thread specifically for this so I can go in more detail what this is really about thread for The Cansas Pieces TCP Shark Card ( please discuss this card at this link)theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/371/cansas-pieces-shark-card-discussionThis one is very interesting to me. I saw this one several years ago, when he first changed his "name" to The Cansas Pisces. TCP Most people will think this means Kansas (where he is from) Pieces (his astrological sign) That is NOT what this is about. Here you have "The Cansas Pisces" . Kansas is spelled with a C.. but if you look at this you see is really is a SCRAMBLE of SCAN AS . = scan it - - Pisces = Spies C=see ( your checks are scan =C and scan as = spies; these are the checks to tell you it is right) so what he is telling us here in this name is "Scan as Spies See" . He is telling us there is a message here. So now rather than BTK, he is the Coder of messages going out. Just when you thought it was safe Not to read another Dark Water Book Jaws The move theme Song. Not another Dark Water Book.... it's the same one. ........ He's just got a different name is all. so you look at this drawing of this fish/shark.... This TCP see the antennae and the RADAD lines out from his head. He is sending out the messages... He is RADAR/RADER look at the one on the left... see where it is going? To Z.... yes, he is sending out messages to the Zodiac. see the water bubbles... I'll explain later how this is "blub" blub" "bubble down" also notice that the shark is black, blue, gold and red.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 17, 2019 13:20:19 GMT -8
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