|
Post by ophion1031 on Oct 28, 2019 23:36:29 GMT -8
Joseph Bates (Cheri Jo's father), the Riverside PD and the Press Enterprise all received letters on April 30, 1967. This was six months after Cheri Jo was murdered. First off, why exactly six months after the murder? Second, the handwriting from these letters looks a lot like a couple of letters (it may have just been one letter, actually) that were sent to Jack Ruby in December 1963, a couple weeks after he murdered Lee Harvey Oswald. The Ruby letter(s) were postmarked Los Angeles. Dennis Mower lived in Hollywood at the time. Coincidence? I am putting this in the Minutemen section of the forum because I think there is a good chance that these letters were written by the same person, possibly someone from the Minutemen. Mailed to Joseph Bates on April 30, 1967: Mailed to Riverside PD on April 30, 1967: Mailed to Press Enterprise on April 30, 1967: To Jack Ruby Dec. 1963:
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 18:48:44 GMT -8
Now this is interesting for sure. I had never seen the Ruby letter, but yes, there are definitely something similar going on there. I need to print them out and get them side by side. but I can already see some things.
also look at the word YOU on the last line of the Ruby letter. look at the cross under it... the z symbol without the circle around it. hmmm
so what the heck is going on here. IF the same person wrote the bates letters and the ruby letter, what does that tell us? Again, I need to print these off and really look at them. BTW just so you know, I was a Master Forger at the age of 16... hate to say that, but I'm pretty dang good at looking at handwriting.
another thing "IF" this is the same letter writer, what were they doing 4 1/2 years before Bates is killed? and throughout that 4 1/2 years?
who was out there active into radical stuff back in 1963 that might have a connection to the zodiac killings?
now let's toss in that ad in the news about the Imperial Wizard. And think about that in context with this stuff
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 18:53:36 GMT -8
And here is another thing just to "entertain" for a minute. How many assassins were out there running amuck at the time?
and if there were some, what would the government call them and their case titles if they went rogue and were blackmailing them?
Might call it an extortion case??
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 18:55:46 GMT -8
So, whoever wrote this letter, or whoever dictated it for someone else to actually write it, WAS MAD at Ruby. Just how mad did this person get... and who ALL did this person get mad at? And mad enough to do "what"?
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Oct 29, 2019 19:11:13 GMT -8
hmm looking at this again and the words used. This might be talking about something other than what it appears to say.
|
|
|
Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 22:15:27 GMT -8
Look at how the capital B matches and looks like a "13." The small r's look like a v or a check mark, which matches the Zodiac letters. The tail on the lower case y and g looks like the Zodiac letters. An of course there is a three stroke k. I'm not saying that the person that wrote the Zodiac letters is responsible for writing the Bates or Ruby letters, but to me there is not enough to rule out that possibility. And I most definitely think the Ruby and Bates letters were written by the same person. I'm not going to say for sure that someone from the Minutemen was the author of these letters, but I do lean in that direction.
The Minutemen were very active in Southern California, and they actually held a rally in Los Angeles the day that Cheri Jo was murdered. A bunch of Minutemen from the New York area were jailed that day so Cheri Jo's murder may have been some sort of retaliation. That might be a little far fetched, but like I always say, anything is possible. The Ruby letter was postmarked from Los Angeles, which is not far from Riverside where Cheri Jo was killed. There was a Timex watch found next to her body. Was that a Minutemen clue?
I have to credit a guy named Rand for finding the Ruby letter and a lot of other info on the Minutemen. He is the one that came up with the Minutemen/Zodiac theory, but Tom Voigt and his groupies ran him off and Rand stopped posting on the Zodiac boards. I contacted him because I had found some cool Minutemen things and he liked what I found but had no interest in returning to his research, so I pretty much picked up from where he left off. Rand believes that Troy Houghton was the Zodiac, but he disappeared before the murders started. Rumor is that he was working with the CIA and so his gay lover, Dennis Mower, also a member of the Minutemen, murdered Houghton. His body was never found. Keith Gilbert has stated that Houghton may have been the "Raoul" that James Earl Ray spoke of. If that is true then Houghton probably was not murdered and instead went underground. But he was never heard from again and if that is the case then he would have abandoned his wife and children. I don't think it's likely, but Houghton was facing federal gun charges so it is possible that he went into hiding before the trial. And the Minutemen were trained on how to go underground and survive if the ever needed to.
As far as this person getting mad at Ruby, that is something to really take a look at. And that is one of the reasons that I think it was someone from the Minutemen. They call him by his REAL name, Rubenstein, rather than Ruby. Makes me wonder if the person knew Ruby personally. I'm pretty sure Ruby had ties to the Dallas Minutemen, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Calling him a lowdown stinking jew is interesting, and the Minutemen were racist, of course. It seems like they did not agree with him killing Oswald. Some publications, s well as former Minutemen Keith Gilbert, claim that Oswald was a member of the Minutemen, for what it's worth. Guy Bannister was associated with the Minutemen, and there was one or two Minutemen that were running guns through Dallas and New Orleans to Miami. I forget their names off the top of my head, but if you google their names, they are mentioned in a lot of places in regards to the JFK assassination. The Minutemen have also been accused of being involved in the Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy assassinations as well.
|
|
|
Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 22:19:10 GMT -8
The SoCal Minutemen were also known to often attend the meetings of Dr. Wesley A. Swift and a lot of weapons and ammo would be sold at these meetings or sermons or whatever you want to call them. Swift was a Klansman that had close ties to the Minutemen and other right-wingers.
|
|
|
Post by touchmysheenis on Oct 30, 2019 0:25:29 GMT -8
The B that looks like a 13 I see it too and I have never seen anyone write it like that before. Could even be that it was intentionally made to look like a 13. I'm no graphologist but to me the letters are by the same person.
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Oct 30, 2019 0:35:23 GMT -8
Look at how the capital B matches and looks like a "13." The small r's look like a v or a check mark, which matches the Zodiac letters. The tail on the lower case y and g looks like the Zodiac letters. An of course there is a three stroke k. I'm not saying that the person that wrote the Zodiac letters is responsible for writing the Bates or Ruby letters, but to me there is not enough to rule out that possibility. And I most definitely think the Ruby and Bates letters were written by the same person. I'm not going to say for sure that someone from the Minutemen was the author of these letters, but I do lean in that direction. The Minutemen were very active in Southern California, and they actually held a rally in Los Angeles the day that Cheri Jo was murdered. A bunch of Minutemen from the New York area were jailed that day so Cheri Jo's murder may have been some sort of retaliation. That might be a little far fetched, but like I always say, anything is possible. The Ruby letter was postmarked from Los Angeles, which is not far from Riverside where Cheri Jo was killed. There was a Timex watch found next to her body. Was that a Minutemen clue? I have to credit a guy named Rand for finding the Ruby letter and a lot of other info on the Minutemen. He is the one that came up with the Minutemen/Zodiac theory, but Tom Voigt and his groupies ran him off and Rand stopped posting on the Zodiac boards. I contacted him because I had found some cool Minutemen things and he liked what I found but had no interest in returning to his research, so I pretty much picked up from where he left off. Rand believes that Troy Houghton was the Zodiac, but he disappeared before the murders started. Rumor is that he was working with the CIA and so his gay lover, Dennis Mower, also a member of the Minutemen, murdered Houghton. His body was never found. Keith Gilbert has stated that Houghton may have been the "Raoul" that James Earl Ray spoke of. If that is true then Houghton probably was not murdered and instead went underground. But he was never heard from again and if that is the case then he would have abandoned his wife and children. I don't think it's likely, but Houghton was facing federal gun charges so it is possible that he went into hiding before the trial. And the Minutemen were trained on how to go underground and survive if the ever needed to. As far as this person getting mad at Ruby, that is something to really take a look at. And that is one of the reasons that I think it was someone from the Minutemen. They call him by his REAL name, Rubenstein, rather than Ruby. Makes me wonder if the person knew Ruby personally. I'm pretty sure Ruby had ties to the Dallas Minutemen, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Calling him a lowdown stinking jew is interesting, and the Minutemen were racist, of course. It seems like they did not agree with him killing Oswald. Some publications, s well as former Minutemen Keith Gilbert, claim that Oswald was a member of the Minutemen, for what it's worth. Guy Bannister was associated with the Minutemen, and there was one or two Minutemen that were running guns through Dallas and New Orleans to Miami. I forget their names off the top of my head, but if you google their names, they are mentioned in a lot of places in regards to the JFK assassination. The Minutemen have also been accused of being involved in the Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy assassinations as well. ___________________________ Well sad to here Rand got bashed off the boards... people do that ... we just have to ignore people and keep on researching and speaking our minds. We all have pieces of the puzzle and if we keep getting ran off, then how we going to ever match our pieces up. I wish Rand would come back on here. but if you have the info then we can go from there. This is all very interesting. I have never really looked at the minutemen that much at all. I'll try to take time and learn about all of this. I do think that the whole jfk situation could have been connected up to the zodiac in some way. just one of the possible options and it would make sense. When you get the chance grab any of the FBI report on zodiac and look at it... it will say EXTORTION on all of them, where other murder cases with say the murder of and whoever it is.. zodiac is always listed as an extortion case. so is someone extorting money from the feds? because they know something or were involved in some Operation Zodiac and so was Ruby?
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Oct 30, 2019 0:38:04 GMT -8
I also noticed the capital B looks like a 13... and the D's in the CB letter looks like PIE... not DIE... to might be two. at the end of one of the letters on MORE the E is a line with a Z on it. and for all we know more might be moore, is there anyone with the name of MOORE?
and the BURN has the squiggly line under the letters URN... might be EARN... the code can work that way... I'll give you a list of the code rules tomorrow. they are extensive, but they are real rules and they are world known, not something I made up... it is not the exact thing but so much like it, you can use those rules for it and they work. they are known world wide. and the rules have checks so you can't just pick and choose random things
|
|
|
Post by touchmysheenis on Oct 30, 2019 1:01:39 GMT -8
I don't recall the name Moore but I think one of Zodiac's envelopes featured a bunch of stamps that had a poet named Moore on them. Maybe. Lol my memory is a little fuzzy sometimes.
DIE dos look like PIE in two of the Bates letters. The writer must have wrote a line up or down and then picked up the writing utensil to make the loop. Same with the upper case Bs. But in the Ruby letter the upper case D looks like the writer did not lift the pen or pencil at all.
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 19:01:31 GMT -8
I'm back here looking at the Bates And Ruby Letters again. I do think there is a connection here, and looking further at both the Bates and the Ruby Letters I can see something else said in there. Being the Bates letters are so short in content I had totally skipped over what it was saying. It was not until I really studied the Ruby letters that I saw what was going on in the Bates letters. I had seen the 13 in the bates before but was not sure about that at first, although it certainly appeared to be a 13. But now that I really looked at the Ruby letters and saw what is going on with them under the surface, now I can see what is going on in the Bates letter besides the 13. And now that squiggle at the bottom of the Bates letter Finally means something. I use to always think that must by shorthand or a squiggle Z, but now I realize it is both 13 and Z together. I see a lot of other stuff going on in both sets of communications and I'll start another thread for that in a bit, so I don't clutter this thread up for other ideas other people have.
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 19:09:42 GMT -8
I'm sitting here doing this, and I'm really reluctant to do this. Do you ever think this is going to turn out to be a very bad idea? haha... seriously, there is a reason why no one is saying anything. Probably a VERY GOOD reason. And there is a reason why Zodiac/Zodiacs stay underground. We probably should take note of that, however, oh well, what the hell, as someone I know well always says. It's one thing to get labeled as crazy haha, it's another thing to be told to shut the hell up, and then after that... well it is what it is.
I've always said, as long as you stay to yourself, stay off the radar and don't cause problems, no one cares what you do; they don't have time to be bothered with you... but get out here in the open and start causing shit and you'll get shit. Why I'm out here like this I have no f'ing clue, but I know better. ugh. I guess as long as people believe I'm just crazy, I'm okay LOL (wishful thinking)
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 20:26:08 GMT -8
Ok this is all so complex. I started a couple of threads to keep some of this stuff separated and not clutter up this thread with everything all at once, and lose the purpose of this thread. So if we consider that the BATES letter and the Ruby Letters might be connected(Which I believe they do), then we have to consider the rest of the Zodiac communications and cards and see if there is anything else in them that eludes to Oswald, Ruby, JFK, etc. If we keep seeing more and more tied into "this thinking" then we will definitely have to consider, hey is zodiac connected up to JFK Assassination. I've wondered this for some time, but never wanted to say it and certainly did not want to post about it, but oh well, here we go. I have a thread I started on the Snowman And The Bunny Rabbit, having to do with the cryptics in the Eureka Card theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/362/eureka-card-bunny-snowman?page=1&scrollTo=1247 There I'm trying to explain the Eureka Card and it's very possible that card is eluding to Oswald and Marx. There is so much more in that card(I'll add over there) but I believe there is an Oswald clue in that card as well.
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 21:53:54 GMT -8
I have another thread going in the JFK Assassination section ... Michael and Ruth Paine Connections - Friends of Lee Harvey Oswald and His Wifetheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/364/michael-paine-connections-friends-oswaldI'm going to collect all of the info I can on these Paines, and the reason I am posting about this here is I've been looking for a PAINE/PAYNE connection (phonics connection) to Zodiac for years. I found this clue in the Halloween Card and will start a thread on that Payne/Paine clue in a bit. I'll come back and add the link. But I find it interesting after I have been looking for that Payne/Paine Connection to the Halloween card for years, that this Paine connection pops up with the Oswalds. So I'm definitely going to look into them and see if they might be the Paine/ Payne connection I have been looking for. If so, then this is really getting "hooked up" to JFK
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 2:10:14 GMT -8
Well, just found this. So Oswald is the Rabbit on the Eureka Card... or so I believe he is. If this is true, then that is why the Bates letter handwriting is looking like the ruby letter handwriting. Same dang group of people involved. from WikiSlightly built, Oswald was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character; he was also called Oswaldskovich because he espoused pro-Soviet sentiments. In November 1958, Oswald transferred back to El Toro where his unit's function "was to serveil [sic] for aircraft, but basically to train both enlisted men and officers for later assignment overseas". An officer there said that Oswald was a "very competent" crew chief and was "brighter than most people." how I came to this conclusiontheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/362/eureka-card-bunny-snowman
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 18, 2019 0:26:04 GMT -8
Ophion, back up there you made a statement somewhere about why they addressed Ruby by his real name Rubenstein.... well let's look at that .
Rubenstein. Rub en Stein = Rub in Stine. Now that letter was written way before Stine was murdered. But perhaps somewhere along the line Zodiac "clicked" on the Stine name(especially if there was already a connection) and thought murdering Stine would be a GREAT CLUE to let whoever made them pissed off, that all of this was "meant to have something to do with "THEM", whoever THEM is.
Just something to keep in mind. It might mean nothing, as I do believe Paul Stine was murdered because of who he was and not just ramdom, but I'll get to that on another thread, later. Don't want to clutter this thread with Paul Stine info.
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 18, 2019 0:40:01 GMT -8
also the ''I hope you Burn we have determined that is actually a 13 in Bates And if you look at the "I hope you Burn" and if that is 13 urn... that is sayiing "13 you are in" or 13 urn (earn?) or you could also break that into 13 u rn . 13 u rn( nurse) and what is up with all the nurse stuff in the Z case. are we missing what the word NURSE stands for? let's see if we can find it in context with what we already have. I need to make threads for the Rubenstein letters and the Bates letters so we can tear them totally apart and find all the clues in them. they are both coded. Let me get some threads for each of these and try to decode them. Links to threads Tearing Apart The Rubenstein Letterstheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/374/rubenstein-letters-connectedTearing Apart The Bates Letterstheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/375/tearing-apart-bates-letters
|
|
|
Post by amazingates on Nov 24, 2019 18:14:57 GMT -8
could the word More really be for Moore as in the alisas of Dennis Mower aka Dennis Moore? just something to think about.
|
|
|
Post by zodius on Apr 14, 2020 20:46:06 GMT -8
I have stated before that I think the same person wrote the Ruby and Bates letters. How do we go about getting a handwriting expert to have a look and compare them/?
|
|