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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 12:33:57 GMT -8
The Michgan Connection To "Group" Zodiac
First of all, I believe The Zodiac is a "group", not a single lone killer who writes his own messages. Was there something on the lines of "Operation Zodiac"?
I believe this group consists of several serial killers and is connected to a lot of the Zodiac suspects and some other weird cases of missing persons or people who just are elusive and all over the place and doing weird things but we just can't figure out what exactly they are doing. I'm wondering if there were not an "Operation Zodiac" of some kind, originating and tied to Michigan. The reason I wonder this is it seems every time I get interested in one of the Big cases, or some really weird ones, up pops the Michigan Connection. They all seem to have this in common. They also seem to have "the military" in common. There are just too many cases following these lines to ignore it. So I wanted to start a thread and start comparing these different sk's cases, unsolved murders cases, strange missing persons cases, and other weird cases, all connected to Michigan and the Military.
I already know there was something really weird going on in Michingan, that is a given. Some crazy fbi connected up stuff. I wonder if there was some kind of "training" place there, or "what"? BTK was there. Ted K was there. Collins was there. how many others? so you have to wonder... was Zodiac there? and if a group, were they ALL there? the Ramsey case is tied there. who else?
I think we need to list every case connected to Michigan, and figure out what the heck is REALLY going on there.
I have been looking at these possibility for years and have a lot of notes stashed away about this. It will take me some time to get all that info on here where we can look at it and see what all is connecting up. I'll keep working on getting it out here where we can go through and compare these cases in the context of "Operation Zodiac" connected to Michigan.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 12:40:25 GMT -8
some notes to myself to find the info on....
Zodius - an ad out of Michigan
BTK - connections there
Collins - Connections there
Robert Ivan Nichols - Connection there
Missing Richard Zaleski - Possible Connection there
Ramsey Case - Connection there
Ted K - Connection there
Robert Ressler and the FBI - Unknown "class" trying to crack Zodiac
The Nurse killed there - Connected to person in Michigan who was part of the Zodiac Puzzle investigation I can't remember off the top of my head but I think this murder was also somehow connected to Collins before he ended up in Monterey area
The origination of the Zodiac puzzle in the library - Connection of puzzle found in Michigan
The connection of someone to Tarbox - connection there to Modesto, the nurse murder, the Zodiac in cali, and fbi zodiac class in Michigan
The Modesto CA Connected Group - Connection there, to murdered Michigan nurse, the library note in michigan, BTK
The Waco connection - people with ties to Waco who are connected to Michigan, the fbi zodiac class in michigan, the nurse murder, and Modesto connection.
The Crazy posts on the net and the Zodiac "Code"- Connected to Michigan, Modesto, nurse murder, BTK, FBI class on Zodiac in michigan, Zodiac library puzzle found in Michigan, Waco.
I can't remember the rest right now, will add as I do.
who else? __________________-
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 12:55:23 GMT -8
some notes to myself to find the info on.... Zodius - an ad out of Michigan BTK - connections there Collins - Connections there Robert Ivan Nichols - Connection there Missing Richard Zaleski - Possible Connection there Ramsey Case - Connection there Ted K - Connection there Robert Ressler and the FBI - Unknown "class" trying to crack Zodiac The Nurse killed there - Connected to person in Michigan who was part of the Zodiac Puzzle investigation I can't remember off the top of my head but I think this murder was also somehow connected to Collins before he ended up in Monterey area The origination of the Zodiac puzzle in the library - Connection of puzzle found in Michigan The connection of someone to Tarbox - connection there to Modesto, the nurse murder, the Zodiac in cali, and fbi zodiac class in Michigan The Modesto CA Connected Group - Connection there, to murdered Michigan nurse, the library note in michigan, BTK - several of the Modesto Murders. The Waco connection - people with ties to Waco who are connected to Michigan, the fbi zodiac class in michigan, the nurse murder, and Modesto connection. The Crazy posts on the net- Connected to Michigan, Modesto, nurse murder, BTK, FBI class on Zodiac in michigan, Zodiac library puzzle found in Michigan, Waco. I can't remember the rest right now, will add as I do. who else?__________________-although I have not found anything(really have not looked but will), I have this "nagging" to look. who all did Tim Mcveigh really know in Michigan besides Terry Nichols? It is weird to me that Waco is connected to Michigan craziness for sure, and we all know what Tim Mcveigh thought about Waco.
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 5, 2019 23:28:41 GMT -8
Maybe Michigan is sort of a headquarters for this group I could see it, these people commit some crimes in Michigan in the begining and then branch out on their own in different states Or in some cases they are in the same states Maybe they all did things on their own but the zodiac was a group effort
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Post by amazingates on Nov 6, 2019 1:26:51 GMT -8
Maybe Michigan is sort of a headquarters for this group I could see it, these people commit some crimes in Michigan in the begining and then branch out on their own in different states Or in some cases they are in the same states Maybe they all did things on their own but the zodiac was a group effort ________________ I have been going over and over this in my head for years; this Michigan connection. There is one, that is a given. I have found way too much connected to ignore it. I've looked at it a LOT. I know the feds there were connected to part of the Zodiac stuff way back before we ever heard of Zodiac. I'm personally a little leery to talk much about the feds and the government etc hahah, I don't want them getting mad at ME haha. so I tone it down when it comes to them, but there is something just weird going on there. I'm not saying THEY are DOING anything but they certainly were Looking at things back then that was connected up to Zodiac. Supposedly there was some fake kind of class there going on that was having people look at zodiac stuff and trying to figure it out, but they did not know what it was they were looking at. they just thought they were figuring out something. Someone who ended up in that class told me about it. And they had this wheel they were putting over something and had to turn it around etc. the person who was in the class said it was some strange stuff. As soon as Zodiac stuff surfaced they knew what it was. So I'm really wondering if the feds knew all this was going on long before they said anything... I think so. And that might explain the Zodius stuff... just how long was this going on I wonder? Maybe it was going on in michigan long before it ended up in Cali, I don't know. I believe it, but it is something anyone can ponder for sure. I probably should not even be saying this lol. Maybe I am not suppose to know this stuff. Oh well. BTK kept hinting to me about Michigan. He sent me this crazy polaroid type photo of this tulip in the dark and you could not really tell where it was, it was dark when the photo was taken and there seemed to be a HEDGE(like one of his victim's names) in the back and some whole dug in the ground. and then on the back it's dates and says tulip in michigan or something ... I have it, I'll scan it when I get my boxes of stuff out of storage. I'll try to get to storage and do that soon. there was also suppose to be some crazy paper thing folded up and left in the library there. Some kind of Zodiac looking thing. This also was before anyone heard of Zodiac. I'm really thinking Zodiac was in Michigan before being in California, maybe not living there, but went there for some reason. Maybe there was some kind of military training there and the people got together and went Whack... who knows. It' late right now and my brain is kind of not sharp and I want to be careful how I say what I'm going to say. so I'll post more about this tomorow
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Post by amazingates on Dec 4, 2019 15:18:58 GMT -8
I've been working on the decoding of the Deep Real Estate/Imperial Wizard news ad... and the more I look at it the more I am finding something to do with Michigan, so here we are with Zodiac in some way connected to Michigan (which I always have believed there was a michigan connection, but now I pretty much KNOW there is.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 29, 2020 23:20:38 GMT -8
Is THE MICHIGAN MURDERS CASE/COED MURDERS/COLLINS CASE Connected To The Zodiac? the Collins Case, Michigan Murders has always bothered me. Collins is said to have killed several girls in Michigan, and then he and a friend took off to California and ended up in the Salinas/Monterey area. It is said there he supposedly murdered a girl who was visiting her relatives in Salinas(she was from Oregon). The Collins case was a huge case and he ended up being convicted of ONE Michigan murder and they never bothered to try him for the rest they say he did. They actually are till unsolved. Strange. You'd have to read the case to see how "weird" it is. I talked with someone from Michigan who knew one of the murdered girls and they told me they did not think he did the murders. HUH? well that has been ages ago and I don't remember all they told me but it sounded believable. I never really checked it out, nor did I really did into the case that much; but it left me "wondering". The strange thing about all this is when the person was telling me about this murder in Michigan that they though Collins did not do, they also told me about the Zodiac case being investigated there in Michigan long before anyone knew about the Zodiac case. THAT was really weird. And over many years they told me more and more and everything they told me all fit. So I always though the Zodiac case was connected to Michigan, and once I really started digging in to the Zodiac case, I found, yes, it definitely is connected. The more I dig, the more I find. Now I wonder if the Collins case is somehow connected to the Zodiac and maybe all those girls killed really were not killed by Collins? It's worth a look for sure. Do I have time to go all through the Collins case and figure this out? No, it would take forever, just like the Zodiac research takes forever. There is not enough time for me to do all of that, but maybe others will keep in mind; it might be something "someone" needs to do. I am in some fed documents right now that is connecting the people in San Fran in the Zodiac research that are connecting up in the Michigan, and so I'm reminded of my thoughts of the Michigan/CA Zodiac connection and so when I find things while looking and I also ran across some of my old info, so as I run into this stuff, I post it out here. Then hopefully, someone has the time to really dig into this. I'll help, but again, I just do not have the time it will take to totally unravel all of this. I'll just start putting all of the Collins MICHIGAN MURDER CASE INFO over here. So if we want to try to figure out if the Michigan Murders/Coed Murders/Collins case is connected to Zodiac, we can work on it over there Here is the thread with all the info I'll be gathering and posting for this possible connection.The Michigan Coed Murders/Collins - Zodiac Connection?theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/461/michigan-murders-collins-zodiac-connection
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Post by zodiacmaniac on Jul 28, 2020 16:03:43 GMT -8
I suspect Zodiac of at least 11 murders in Illinois and Michigan. I was the first to post the letter written by the killer of Morrison and Means, in IL in 1969, and point out how it looks like the address on the Hautz envelope, among others.
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