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Post by amazingates on Dec 3, 2019 12:26:55 GMT -8
Tearing Apart The "Zodius" Ad There was a murder of the Robinson Family June 25, 1968 in Good Hart, Michigan. In August of 1968, a tipster about the Robinson Family murders stated they had information on the murders but for the police to get the info, they had to put an ad in the paper. This ad was placed. Some people think this ad might be connected to the Zodiac Killer because the name Zodius is so much like Zodiac, it is right at a year before Zodiac had called himself Zodiac in a letter dated August 4, 1968, and some of the murders in Michigan are similar to the Zodiac killings. So I just want to go through this small ad and see if it will code out by decoding it in the same way the Zodiac letters are coded. Here is the ad.... August 4, 1968 - Detroit News Here is the AD . Found this on Morph's site. www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=478
DR.GUIDINI: Your prescription good. However, need additional. -Zodius _____________________I'm going to work on this a little later, but here is some discussion on it and how it might tie in with other aspects of the Zodiac Case Please also read these links in connection with this thread.
Zodius Ad - Possible Zodiac Communicationtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/398/zodius-guidini-early-zodiac-communicationTearing Apart Personal AD Deep Real Estate / Imperial Wizardtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/389/tearing-personal-estate-imperial-wizardDeep Real Estate/Imperial Wizard - Possible Z Communicationtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/399/deep-estate-imperial-wizard-communication
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Post by amazingates on Dec 4, 2019 20:50:37 GMT -8
I went through this ad one time before, but did it in a real hurry off the top of my head, so I think I'll go through my first look at this and then go in and FIX it now. Now that I am really studying it, I see some other stuff going on. Also the more info you get out of the other communications, then the more you can realize what they are talking about. For them it is easy because all parties know who they are, what they are doing and what they are talking about. We have no clue who they are, what they are doing or what they are talking about... but as we decode more of these communications, the easier it gets, because we begin to find out more and more to put with it.
so here is the one time I looked at it and did it off the top of my head. I see a lot wrong with that now that I know more, but I'll put it out here anyway, and then go through and fix or add anything I NOW know that I did not KNOW then. _____________
this is not all right, I have to fix it. but want all this info just incase for later if we figure out something else that goes with this.
Following this will be the more detailed solution I got after really looking at this and studying it.
DR.GUIDINI: Your prescription good. However, need additional. -Zodius
DR GUIDINI - well DR = doctor and CHECK would be "prescription" so that makes sense for DR, but DR (Witch/Warlock)..just because I KNOW that, it is not in the code) of what ? GUIDINI ? what is that... Good in I??? Good N I (eye - glasses), ?
Your prescription - pre = before scription -writing- to script=to code .... so before prescription is GUIDINI . hmmm so before writing the code, go back to DR GUIDINI(witch / warlock = war lock) go back to GUIDINI (get prescription for your glasses) (script is your code) you can't see without your code glasses.
( I have to laugh because DR = Dennis Rader, LOL, and he was in michigan all the time .. weird, but interesting, didn't he leave his glasses somewhere)...
ok put on your glasses so you can SEE . .... your prescription good... ok there it is. good = Goodini . ?
hmmm Good in eye... oh... eye drops... I drops... to put something in your eye, to put something. a package? a drop? ... However... all good but, need additional. ok need more. ADD ? need additional WHAT? letters in a word? add more drops ...additional - more ZODIUS . latin .. Zodium.... sodium (nitrate? = blow it up (sodium nitrate appears is noncombustible but accelerates the burning of combustible materials. You can use it to blast a fire / explosion, but usually needs heat / fire to light it up) . now let's hope this is about blowing up the code, and not a literal bomb.
... GUIDINI . to script,
NEED = Knead mix, scramble... UID GINI.. Unidentified deceased . GINI . who is that? Jeanie? what the hell is this saying. .. hmmm so someone told them something about an unidentified body but they need more info cuz they can't see= figure it out. lf they have the code but they can't figure out who it is, need more prescrption, code on the unidentified body. they need more info.
This really sounds like Dennis Rader. I have tons of his stuff and have coded with him enough to know what he does. this is the same code but not very good. but again, he liked playing around with people and laughing and making them guess. I don't see anything that tells me any DIRECTIONS... so they are not blowing up the route (Directions, seems odd), ... there is going to be another NOTE or message that goes with this. and basically it even says so. they need eye DROPS... what is interesting though is if this is the authorities and DR talking about an unidentified deceased body, and what murder happened that coincides with this. And where was this note left?
Is this really about the Robinson Murders? hmmmm
this is REALLY good stuff. because it lets us know there is an UID(unidentified deceased) person. OR... was there IUID code back at this time? I doubt that would be it??? I don't know about that stuff but as far as I know they were not using that in the The Zodiac, and I have not noticed it in any SK cases, but I have never looked either.
also drops in my eyes... drop the I's... they constantly doing that. I=9. drop the i's in what word?
if we drop the i's in Guidini = Gudn... gund... dung... dung = manure. This would make sense with Zodius.
well they are definitely coding and understand the code, but they still can't figure out who the unidentified body is unless they get more code to figure it out. or if it is code and not a body, they can't figure out the code, so the instructions/directions are not here, and that is true, they are not here. so where are they. I don't think this is talking about the CODE. I think it is talking about an unidentified dead body. Whatever it is talking about, they need more info, and so do I. but we do know that whoever is talking back and forth here, know each other. or they communicate. now, is it two killers? or is it the authorities and a killer.
the only other thing they might mean is they want someone to drop off more bomb making supplies.
without knowing in what context this message was put out there, it is hard to say...
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okay I already noticed some things up there and added and changed a few things already...
now let me start all over, now that I know a lot more from other communications, let me try working this again from start to finish.
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DR checks with prescription and Guidini checks with good, but there is Additional, so that is the surface, and letting us know the ad is coded. Now lets get down into the next level of this. -----------
DR. GUIDINI: Your prescription good. However, need additional. -Zodius
DR. - DR(initials of someone), Doctor, Drive(as in street)
GUIDINI: - G uid in i..... good (like gud with long U) Goo'd.... Goo id, N, "in" inside ... I, eye, 1, one good in I = good in eye... what is good in eye? = eye drops... drops.(maybe?) . or eye glasses? UID is also Unidentified deceased
GU = goo . ID = name . In I/eye... Gu/goo in eye = sticky substance, gunk, muck, sludge, gook, ooze, slush, secretion, messy substance.
Your - your, yore, past, y ore. ...you R... y/why our/hour... past/passed ( R is past you)
prescription - script, medicine, eye exam, drug, recipe, remedy, direction, law, mixture, caution, warning, input, preparation, pre/before B-4, be 4 = to be 4 = D .... or is this B -4 = B-D ( is this the victim or the person writing this?) script - code, language, letter, writing, .... ion = hmmm this is weird . ion = Greek ión going, neuter present participle of iénai to go; term introduced by Michael Faraday in 1834 (oh this is not pointing to David Faraday is it? surely not? killed dec 20, 1968) wow, the murders were PAST, before, uid/unidentifed deceased(they don't know who he is talking about) did he drop his glasses there(only the police would know)this can't be right, is it?
good - good, not bad, fair, great, fine, (good checks with Guid in Guidini? probably not), treasure, ideal, quality, right/write
what is "good" checking with? I do not think it is Guid. this is too complex to use that for a check.... ok prescription probably = good . so what is the word for good that equals prescription? MAYBE... pre = before, which is also past... that checks..... script = write and good = right/write, so that checks... and ion = eye on? 'i' on something? Ion= going(greek)
ok past prescription is the word GOOD... so your good... yore good, past good. good = guid/ goo ID, and script letter is D so GU ID (the ID = D) ( ID = D) your =you R (there is the DR with doctor DR check) I am not really sure about this yet.
oh wait, Good = Fair. is that Faraday? ion faraday, oh boy, this sounds crazy, but did he put his glasses on david faraday? someone needs to ask the police. if so, we have a communication here from zodiac about the murder of david faraday. I really doubt this is what this is, but I can't just ignore it. and there is "NO CHECK" for "a day" last part of faraday. is there? (I'll come back to this)
ok i just noticed now that before = Be . Fore . = B-4 = B-D... now that I see FARADAY... watch this... B (for Betty) and D(for DAVID) hmmm It really seems this is talking about the murders of Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday that happened 4 months after this. why would anyone have CHOSEN to kill THEM 4 months before they killed them? Did someone in Michigan know them? we need to see if they had any ties to michigan at all. or did anyone they know have ties to michigan?
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let me do this part and see if by adding the rest of this it makes more sense.
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However. although, but, yet, nevertheless, on the other hand, in spite of that, no matter how, in whatever manner or state, arrange how you like(scramble), after all, all the same. yet/after all - so it has not happened yet, it will be after all of something else? arrange how you like, was the body posed? okay what are we suppose to scramble? in whatever state, is this out-of-state? was something "on the other hand"? nevertheless = never the less, so MORE. ADD (that would CHECK with additional below) so there will be more not less. (oh that was on the Bates letters.. There will be more)
need - knead (scramble, mix-up), must, ( I think this is telling up to scramble, mix up the next word additional
additional. add, it ion al, more, also, plus, +, further, increased, new, on the side of, over and above (that might be a direction/instruction), extra, padding, perk, spare, additive, accessory, affixed(was something stuck on something)
add it ion al - add it i on al.... we are adding "it i" on "al" . what is that ? I tail/I tell
so ... is zodius, telling us what he is going to do? how is he choosing who he is going to kill? He is in Michigan, how is he going to tell us who he is killing in california? oh, he is telling someone else? who? is he telling someone else to kill them? and he/they are doing it through the news ads.
--Zodius. - "He who God gives victory".(Gaelic)
I think this is about "blowing up" the code, but it could be a bomb with the Zodius I have to go through this a LOT more because Zodius is also because we could have I drops... to put something in your eye, to put something. a package? a drop? ... However... all good but, need additional. ok need more. ADD ? need additional WHAT? letters in a word? add more drops ...additional - more ZODIUS . latin .. Zodium.... sodium (nitrate? = blow it up (sodium nitrate appears is noncombustible but accelerates the burning of combustible materials. You can use it to blast a fire / explosion, but usually needs heat / fire to light it up) . now let's hope this is about blowing up the code, and not a literal bomb.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 4, 2019 22:54:51 GMT -8
okay I spent time on this and went through it now and it seems to me, this really might be zodiac, and telling about the murders of David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen. But it would have really taken a LOT of deep level coding to write this ad. but I have seen it done before. The Deep Real Estate Ad was even more complex. Whoever is writing this code out is VERY VERY VERY good; it is a lot harder to write it than it is to read it. It's hard for us to read it though, because we don't have the info they have. But who are they writing to is the question? I'll go post all about that on another thread so I don't clutter this one up, and clutter up the coding thread here.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 5, 2019 9:37:57 GMT -8
I thought about this more. I just can't possibly really believe someone in Michigan is writing coded ads in the personals about a murder that was not yet committed in California; especially two teenagers with supposedly nothing going on in their lives to warrant their getting killed like that. It makes no sense. So either (1) this just happened to be FLUKEY and ended up like that(hard to be THAT flukey), or (2). there is someone in the life of David Faraday or Betty Lou Jensen that we don't know about who the killer was mad at and targeted the kids instead. What else can it be. Is the killer ruthless enough to target someone close to someone the killer is trying to send a message to? Do you really go kill their kids of some other person close to them? .... or..... do you just happen to be back in Michigan for some other reason and are actually from California and actually know David Faraday and/or Betty Lou Jensen?
or was someone close to someone with the same name as the kids and they stalked and killed the wrong person?
There is something not right here.
I'm going to go see if i can find anyone who would have been close enough to David Faraday for the killer to think that killing David Faraday would hurt this person more than killing that person.
I can see the "before 'B'' being flukey, that can happen, but all of it. I'll also go all back through this and see if it is all flukey and I missed something that would have made it different. It's hard to work these all out right the first time, especially, when we don't have any other info to go by. I would have really "thought" this was about Bomb supplies or making bombs, until that Faraday came up. That really through me off.... there is always those times when things do get "flukey". I'll go through all of this again.
The first time I read this ad, i had thought it was Dennis Rader, as it sounded so much like him. I've coded back and forth with him and it really reminds me of him, until I got down into the deeper level, but he is very capable of coding deep levels.
I'll look at this more.
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Post by amazingates on Dec 5, 2019 9:56:49 GMT -8
Now if this really has to do with the Robinson murder of Good Hart Michigan... this might tell me something also. We have DR Guidini... prescription... and the murder is in GOOD HART. so why is the content of the ad not talking about Robinson murder in Good Hart Michigan?
And here is the other thing... someone stated they knew something about the murder, and that (I guess the detectives) were suppose to put that ad in the paper per instruction if they(the detectives) wanted the info on the murder. So maybe the detectives did not put the ad in exactly like it was given to them? you would think they would, but maybe they didn't ? the only way to know if they did is for us to have the FILES showing the detectives wrote down exactly what they were suppose to write in the ad... also, if they were told on the phone, they could have misheard what was said... they could have spelled Guidini wrong, or left something out. Or they could have gotten the "periods" wrong or left out a comma, or they could have written your instead of you're; all of these things would have made the ad say something totally different.
And here is the other thing... even if they were out to kill David Faraday, how would they know anything about Betty Lou Jensen? they would have to personally know them or someone told them about them.
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