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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 16:06:11 GMT -8
CATCH-ALL Thread For COINTELPRO Docs Weatherman hooked To Z?The "new left" was a primarily white, campus-based, initially non-marxist oppositional movement which emerged in the aftermath of the 1950s ("McCarthyite") repression of "old left" political formations such as the CP,USA. Beginning with the establishment of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) by a handful of college radicals including Al Haber and Tom Hayden during 1960-61, the new left had by the end of the decade come to encompass a multiplicity of organizations and literally hundreds of thousands of participants. Along the way, it had engaged itself in a range of issues and activities including the pursuit of a vision of "participatory democracy," support to civil rights and black liberation groups like SNCC and the BPP, socio-economic reform in the inner cities, transformation of the educational process, attempts to hammer out a "new working class theory," anti-Vietnam war endeavors and, ultimately, a neo-marxian form of antiimperialism SDS, later splintered off into the Weatherman.This set of documents has a ton of info in them related to SDS, Weathermen, anti-war groups, you name it; all the radical factions all working together and connected to San Diego, Oceanside, New York, Michigan, overseas out of country, San Fran, Washington, Chicago etc. I'm trying to see if the addresses at 519 Freeman in Oceanside, in area of(Ray Davis Cabby Murder 1962) is connected to address 491 Guerrero ST San Fran and Cabby murder of STine in San Fran 1969. I know the addresses have the same groups at them, so therefore, the people in these groups could be at both addresses. and just POSSIBLY Zodiac is in one of these groups and at these addresses, killing both cabbies? Long shot, but no way to know until we go through all the docs and see if there is any info in here that helps. I have a TON of info on COINTELPRO docs, gov Hearings etc, that is helping connect up some of the info on Zodiac. There is a lot of info in it that relates to the Zodiac case even though it does not say it is connected; however, it is obvious to ME that it is. I'm using this as a CATCH-ALL Thread for this info because there is so much of it and it is going to take a long long time to go through it all and sort it out and explain how any of it relates to Zodiac. I have not even been through it all, but I want to get it all out here because I keep losing it and then having to go through 1000's of info to find it again. A lot of it is REDACTED out and so we get bits and pieces here and there and then have to hook it all up to see what is really going on with COINTELPRO and Zodiac (and other factions at the time I believe is connected to Zodiac). So I just want to use this thread to get it all out here in one place. Then I will come back through and connect it up elsewhere on the cases it hooks to. The case thread that goes along with this research is about the 1962 cabby murder of Ray Davis in Oceanside. So I'm working that in another thread. Both threads go together, I just try to keep the docs separate from the case info. here is that thread for the cabby case info New Article - Oceanside CA Cabby Killed /Threat To Bus 1962theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/443/article-oceanside-cabby-threat-1962
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 19:38:30 GMT -8
Weatherman Code INCOTELPRO had the Weatherman's code. They were thinking about publishing a FAKE ad in the newspaper to see who answered. There were several of the Weatherman underground and INCOTELPRO thought they might get leary if the fake ad gave a PO box for replies. They also thought that the Weatherman might have changed the code. They thought about publishing a fake ad in the Berkeley Tribe but then thought better of it because if any newspaper would have known the Weatherman code, they thought the Berkeley Tribe would and notice it as a police plant and would not publish it. Why would the Berkeley Tribe know the Weatherman Code? hmmmMy question is... where did they publish it then, and how many times. And which ads are they? If they did this with the Weatherman Code, why would they not do it with the Zodiac Code? I am sure they did; I've seen itThis doc also tells me that the feds full well knew the Weatherman code. How else would they fake a message if they did not know it? Just who gave the code to the Feds? Obviously an informant in the Weather Underground, and had to show them how the code worked obviously. So who did that? This is why COINTELPRO would not put the messages in the Berkeley TRIBE... They knew they would recognize the code was fake.. and they knew the Tribe would recognize the Weatherman Code. And this is most likely the reason THIS article went in the TRIBE October 21, 1969... Article By Blaine
________________________- BTW this strip of code has nothing to do with the Weathermen. I'm just sticking it out here to show you the gov had the codes. This was found in an fbi raid of a Minuteman who says it is not his, but looked like code of another Minuteman. More on this later. But just so you know, the FEDS had the codes, they just never admitted they had them and they used them to send out fake communcations.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 19:42:38 GMT -8
some of these are hard to read. We can come through later and transcribe them but I don't have time now. The SDS(students for a democratic society) has many connections to other groups and when they splintered off they became the Weatherman. So anywhere you see SDS, LID, YSA, and a host of other orgs, they are a lot of the same people as the Weatherman.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 19:44:17 GMT -8
Who is the local newspaper man they are going involve in the plan they are setting up concerning the Dept of Ag Concerning abuses in the Food Stamp Program? who wrote about that for them? This is a memo sent concerning INCOTELPRO to the bureau in Albany. (I'll try to find anything on that letter)
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 20:09:09 GMT -8
The feds were looking for the Weatherman's PO Boxes. I'm sure the Weatherman knew that. Perhaps they laughed and sent the feds the keys? I wonder if the Weathermen were in turn looking for the informant's PO box keys?
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 20:16:47 GMT -8
Someone was associated with the Bay Area Institute on one event on April 1970, had no connection with the organization, and was living and working in a cabinet shop in Berkeley. _______________ this is my note, not part of the doc.... HMMM that sounds familiar, the cabinet shop in Berkeley. Interesting. my message to the guy in the cabinet shop... ( hey you, if you happen to read this, Hi, message me. I have not talked to you for ages. maybe 2004 or so? clue: I look at everything through a big spy lens; wouldn't you like to have one. ... yes, it is me LOL message me through the board here and we can go talk somewhere else. That's Wild! we can walk across the street and get some cigs, or go talk about stuff over at the college frat house, go look for some old retro stuff. Bring some tarps to cover it up with. or we can just plant some flowers and let them come up next spring) ________________________ This person says they were inactive at the time and people are away and nothing planned. So when were they ACTIVE, who is this, and what were they doing talking to the feds about it? And the San Francisco Examiner is sitting on info to publish the the feds gave them. But they want to wait to publish it. What info is that? Another one of the Cointelpro scams I guess.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 20:35:17 GMT -8
Feds have 20 pages of info which makes them think the Weathermen are starting a revolution in Chicago and they attitude on the Chicago Demonstration. Hmmm They are trying to find out exactly where this is postmarked and sent out of Iowa. Reads "Second Battle of Chicago 1969" text by - Tom Thomas photos by - Ken Shainess and William Wilhelm published at Grinell College, Iowa Sept 9, 1970. I need to check out the Bring the war home chicago stuff with this... my note. btw the Days Of Rage October 11, 1969 is the exact same day of the murder of Cabby Paul Stine in San Fran by the "Zodiac" it was part of the Weatherman's Bring The War Home.People in the below document Tom Thomas Larry Frank William Wilhelmhaving to do with the 20 page document " The Second Battle Of Chicago 1969" TEXT BY TOM THOMAS PHOTOGRAPHS BY LARRY FRANK, KEN SHAINESS & HENRY WILHELM PUBLISHED AT GRINNELL COLLEGE - GRINNELL, IOWA 50112 This report is an explanation of what happened during the October 8-11 SDS National Action in Chicago.
Bring the war home, and same time when cabby paul stine is killed in San Fran.
remember this is the SECOND BATTLE - this had been going on since 1960. and by the Second Battle they had people scattered all over across USA, especially, in SAN FRAN, helping to create havoc. Was "Zodiac" a part of this" . Very well could be.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 20:41:06 GMT -8
8 documents from San Fran FBI submitted to the SF Examiner to prepare an article on the activities of The Bay Area Institute - a new left type org
located in SF, an affiliate for Institution of Policy Studies.
states under no circustances to divulge the interest in this by the FBI
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 21:42:00 GMT -8
Articles in: Barron's Weekly Magazine - Radical Think Tank, Ivory Tower Activists Pamphlet concerning meeting of Committee of Concerned Asian Scholars or Stanford University to be held April 3, 1970 at the Glide Memorial Church in SF Article from the Oregon Daily Emerald April 10, 1970 - captioned "Weisberg - Possible Ecology Not Effective" Here is the article of Barron's Weekly Magazine dated October 6, 1969. the date(dec 11, 1969) at the top of the second page is the date of the hearings on this article, not the date of the article. This is the correct article of Oct 6, 1969, 5 days before Cabby Paul Stine is killed by "Zodiac". from the fed doc - Article from the Oregon Daily Emerald April 10, 1970 - captioned "Weisberg - Possible Ecology Not Effective"This must be what the subject is about they are looking at in the Oregon Emerald. I have not found that exact one, but this seems to be what it would be. from fed doc - Pamphlet concerning meeting of Committee of Concerned Asian Scholars or Stanford University to be held April 3, 1970 at the Glide Memorial Church in SF
here is who this group isThe Committee of Concerned Asian Scholars (CCAS) was founded in 1968 by a group of graduate students and younger faculty as part of the opposition to the American participation in the Vietnam War. They proposed a "radical critique of the assumptions which got us [The United States] into Indo-China and were keeping us from getting out". The caucus was held at the Association for Asian Studies convention in Philadelphia, but was a radical critique of that professional association's values, organization, and leadership. The group was largely formed due to the Association for Asian Studies lack of public stance on the Vietnam War. Most of the original members were graduate students or junior faculty in Area Studies programs at Harvard, Stanford, University of Michigan, University of California at Berkeley, and Columbia University, although there were also independent scholars and those with no affiliation in the field. On 30 March 1969, the group passed the following Statement of Purpose:We first came together in opposition to the brutal aggression of the United States in Vietnam and to the complicity or silence of our profession with regard to that policy. Those in the field of Asian studies bear responsibility for the consequences of their research and the political posture of their profession. We are concerned about the present unwillingness of specialists to speak out against the implications of an Asian policy committed to ensuring American domination of much of Asia. We reject the legitimacy of this aim, and attempt to change this policy. We recognize that the present structure of the profession has often perverted scholarship and alienated many people in the field. The Committee of Concerned Asian Scholars seeks to develop a humane and knowledgeable understanding of Asian societies and their efforts to maintain cultural integrity and to confront such problems as poverty, oppression, and imperialism. We realize that to be students of other peoples, we must first understand our relations to them. CCAS wishes to create alternatives to the prevailing trends in scholarship on Asia, which too often spring from a parochial cultural perspective and serve selfish interests and expansionism. Our organization is designed to function as a catalyst, a communications network for both Asian and Western scholars, a provider of central resources for local chapters, and a community for the development of anti-imperialist research. Founding members can be found hereen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Concerned_Asian_Scholars__________________________ The Katzenbach Protests? why is that in there, that has to do with George Wallace and Kennedy arguing over whether Wallace should be blocking black students from the University and the KKK got involved. weird that is in there. But then again the Weathermen were pretty much hooked up with the Black Panthers as well. _________________________________________ VDC - The Vietnam Day Committee (VDC) was a coalition of left-wing political groups, student groups, labour organizations, and pacifist religions in the United States of America that opposed the Vietnam War during the counterculture era.
It was formed in Berkeley, California in the spring of 1965 by activist Jerry Rubin, and was active through the majority of the Vietnam war, organizing several rallies and marches in California as well as coordinating and sponsoring nationwide protests.
Article November 4, 1965 - where is this article?
FBI DOC STATES VDC may hold march? not sure what that article is about yet ___________________________________ a Blank page with two typed notices of articles in Ann Arbor Michigan.. dated 1965 0r 66... concerning allan haber... hmm interesting. he was an activist hooked up with SDS. not sure why he is in the incotelpro docs. Guess because he started SDS and was for peace and democracy and so they labeled him a "commie" ? who knows. My info on this. not from the docs.They spelled Alan Haber's name wrong. It has one L not two. And his real name is Robert Alan Haber. He formed SDS in 1960 in Michigan. there we are with the Michigan connection again. here is info on him, I'm just going to copy it off and post it here with the link. Robert Alan Haber is an American activist. He was the first president of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), a U.S. radical student activist organization. Haber was elected at the first meeting of SDS in 1960 . FBI files at the time indicated his official title as Field Secretary. Described variously at the time as "Ann Arbor's resident radical" and "reticent visionary", Haber organized a human rights conference in April of that year which "marked the debut of SDS" and invited four organizers of the 1960 NAACP sit-ins against segregated lunch counters in Greensboro, North Carolina.Haber "came from a leftist background". His father William Haber, an economist, former dean and professor at the University of Michigan, was an "energetic" supporter of U.S. president Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal with socialist-progressive sympathies. Haber's parents named him after former Wisconsin governor, congressman and senator Robert M. La Follette, Sr., advocate of the Wisconsin Idea political reforms in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Haber has one brother. Haber makes a living as a cabinetmaker. Currently,[when?] he is working on the Megiddo Peace Project, and is involved with the revival of Students for a Democratic Society (2006 organization) He helped found the Berkeley, California Long Haul Infoshop, an anarchist resource center and community space In 1954, Haber enrolled at the University of Michigan. He graduated in 1965 my note - 11 yrs later? is this right? Haber lives in Ann Arbor, Michigan with his partner Odile Hugonot-Haberen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Habervideos now of Robert Alan Haber www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltwgPQznY88www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrtXpUU2XSk_______________________________ then it goes on to say to give this to the SF examiner news who is a "something" source of the san fran FBI office and has been used by INCOTELPRO in the past, and says the examiner may wish to write an article concerning the activities of the BAY Area Institute of San FRan.
so INCOTELPRO was using the San Fran Examiner in their counterintelligence. I always thought they were using the news articles to communicate with Zodiac, now I really think they probably were like I suspected. I kept seeing articles that were coded with Z code and that is why I always thought the feds knew the code. They had to know it because someone was publishing ARTICLES in the newspapers with code in them, and I knew the reporters were not doing it, and I knew the reporters would not do that for someone else and so there is no one else who could be doing it but the feds. So now we see they really were using the news ARTICLES and they were coding stuff in them.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 18, 2020 21:58:13 GMT -8
well now this is interesting...... People's World cards... printers bug 200 not printed by Garrett Press of SF which does the weekly printing of the PW. rather it was printed by Cardoza Bookbinding Company in SF FBI has no contacts at Cardoza and were wondering why PW changed the printing company hmm says they no of no company they could approach to have this card reproduced with the cardoza union bug why would they even want them duplicated with a union bug? why do they even want them duplicated in the first place? why did cardoza print them for PW with Union bug 200. People's World is a Marxist and American leftist national newspaper it became the People's Daily World and is mainly of Communist thought. After WWII many of the editors of People's Daily World were convicted using the Smith Act of "conspiring to violently overthrow the U.S. government.
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Post by amazingates on Jan 19, 2020 15:57:28 GMT -8
The next set of documents has a ton of info in them related to SDS, Weathermen, anti-war groups, you name it; all the radical factions all working together and connected to San Diego, Oceanside, New York, Michigan, overseas out of country, San Fran, Washington, Chicago etc. I'm trying to see if the addresses at 519 Freeman in Oceanside(Ray Davis Cabby Murder 1962) is connected to address 491 Guerrero ST San Fran and Cabby murder of STine in San Fran 1969. I know the addresses have the same groups at them, so therefore, the people in these groups could be at both addresses. and just POSSIBLY Zodiac is in one of these groups and at these addresses, killing both cabbies? Long shot, but no way to know until we go through all the docs and see if there is any info in here that helps. I'll read through these now and come back and make comments on things I see in them. I am seeing a lot one thing is that they are looking that this ONE SUBJECT FOR SURE, and also, who is the SA (special agent)? we have a "rat" infiltrated into these organizations, who is it?
why are they looking for this ONE person more than all the others? over a warrant for a demonstration? I doubt it, so why, and it can't be for just radical issues, they ALL have radical issues... so who is this guy and why is he so much more important than the other?
___________________ the IRS is interested info regarding New Left exempt status. American Friends Service Committee New Mobilization Committee Bay Area Peace Action Council Los Siete De La Raza San Fran Mime Toupe Glide Memorial Church. San Fran can not investigate American Friends Service Committee and Glide Memorial Church, they have to have the Feds do it because they are religious church groups. feds really want to use this info to stop tax exemption so no one will donate money to these orgs. and they want the info for COINTEPRO. the feds want info given to adult county probation dept in San Fran the source of this info also - want it given through established source. *material publicizing activities of CANNON at the University of Washington, Seattle WA *booklet "Victnam --A Thousand Years of Struggle" "someone"(redacted) was put on probation for 2 yrs in November 1968, on charges of resisting arrest and interfering with an officer. This person is a New Left activist . The feds want this person's probation officer with the sourse material relating to CANNON's participation in the New Left activities at Wash. University on january 21, 1970. Also given the material he has written while on probation.
who is this guy is my question. we should be able to find out through the arrest dates and the charges, and that he had something to do with CANNON at the WASH University on january 21, 1970 I will see what I can find and come back and post it on this post here. "someone" (redacted) arrested for resisting arrest and interfering with police on November 22, 1968 and on probation for 2 yrs( must be same guy in the doc just before this one), served 90 days in jail, and not to engage in any further unlawful disturbance or unlawful activity they want his probation office to have a copy of the " MOVEMENT" showing participation in something to do with a peoples trial fo the American Army. this was at the Wash University in Seattle on January 1, 1970, and at this "peoples trial" the Army was sentenced to death. Also want the probation office to have "some" booklet published by the People's Press at 3??(300 block) of Grove st SF during February 1970. it is a 47 page booklet about struggles in Vietnam, and is unfavorable to the United States. The feds think the probation office should bring this info to the judge who sentenced "whoever" they are talking about. The feds told the probabation office before this person is considered armed and dangerous because he displayed a .38 caliber revolver to the press during a press interview during 1967 _______________________- info from Sacramento office at Fresno CA regarding "someone's" (redacted) residence in Fresno, CA who was part-time student at Fresno State College, employed by the US Post Office at Sanger CA. Employed at the Cafe MILL (?) Midi (?) {hard to read} in Fresno outstanding warrants at San Fran PD - (redacted) was outstanding against this person in connection with his arrest during student demonstrations at SF State College and the the warrant had been unserved because no know address could be located for this person by SF PD. so and so (redacted) of the General Works detail of the SF PD was told on December 10, 1969 by SA(special agent) (name redacted) where this person could be located.
hmm so who is the person who knew where he was, and who was the person he told. so the person has a warrant out of SF for some demonstration at SF State College and they were looking for him. He's working at all these places in Fresno at some time. Interesting he is working at a post office... maybe he got keys from there? need to check that out. he also went to Fresno state college.My note, Paul Stine(cabby shooting victim of Zodiac) went to Fresno State - but that was in 1959 or 1960 according to Paul's sister Carol... that seems to have nothing to do with paul or anyone he might have known at Fresno State, totally wrong years. but this person who was wanted was at SF State demonstrations Dec 10 1969, that is after Paul dies in October 1969. So he could have been there during the time Paul Stine was killed. and October and December is when the place at 491 Guerrero st. opened. so need to just keep that thought in mind. This person in Fresno also worked at a post office, he could have keys from there. Lots of keys. Not that that means anything at all, but something to think about. Did he work at other post offices? with access to other keys? Did he know Paul Stine at SF State? Did he catch a cab in SF and know Paul Stine? just things to keep in mind hmmm person/subject info has "changed" listed as SM-ANARCHIST
New Left - Foreign Influence
COINTELPRO involvedBay Area Radical Education Project(my note) this is connected to 491 Guerrero St SFTitle of the subject person is changed to show REVEREND to his name He is listed as REVEREND in the LEVIATHAN Magazine
hmm now we know he is a REVEREND.. but where from, he could be a REAL on or one from any number of buy your degree as in Hensley Church in Modesto, CA. I need to try to check this. also connected to: one is redacted.. The Resistance Leviathan United Ministries in Higher Education Gi Help Bay Area Radical Education Project two more redacted out, the last one with the word NEW at the beginning and the rest is redacted.
Enclosed: 11 copies regarding Subject's (someone redacted) current travels 2 copies of LHM of August 13, 1969 for use in COINTELPRO New Left Decision 2 copies of LEGAT BONN letter of October 31, 1969Enclosed for New York1 copy of referenced LHM 2 copies of letter from Director, Legat, Bonn with enclosures of October 31, 1969 LHM regarding subject enclosed for New YorkFor the info of NY the Committee on Ecumenical Missions, United Presbyterian Church is REDACTED...copy designated for Bureau File on Bay Area Radical Education Project since it is apparently identical with Subject and to show action taken as result of information obtained in that investigation. My note: what investigation. Special Agent (redacted) advised during the past month while looking for a Selective Service fugitive he observed the offices of The Resistance and GI-HELP on the 400 block of Guerrero St San Fran SA noticed that people from the office were constantly going back and forth from the UNITED MINITRIES IN HIGHER EDUCATION at 491 Guerrero st SF and they had printing materials etc.
First source is person interviewed by (redacted) of an unknown female worker at the United Ministries in Higher Education 491 Guerrero st SF(621-7035) and the Ministry to The Resistance at the same address. so both are at the same address of 491 Guerrero st SF
the second source of (redacted) via phone regarding publications of RADICAL EDUCATION
on December 190, 1969 by Special Agent during which she(the unknown worker in previous doc page ?) advised that that office was not really part of the RADICAL EDUCATION PROJECT OF DETROIT MICHIGAN but that they may have one or two lists of the REP publications around the office of THE UNITED MINITSTRIES FOR HIGHER EDUCATION .... and the BAY AREA RADICAL EDUCATION PROJECT was just a name used sometimes by (redacted) t o mail out reprints of articles HE(my note: WHO IS "HE") for Leviathan magazine or other reprints. At Washington DC At US DEPT of State Passport office, obtain any additional info and photograph issued or obtained in connection with Subject's current travel at Berkeley CA verify subject's reto to US residence wow this has to be Terry Cannon... the unnamed person is Terrence "TERRY" CANNON, one of the Oakland 7, arrested after Stop The Draft Week protest October 1967. 7 of them were arrested, Terry Cannon being one of the ones arrested. He was an organizer for the SNCC(Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee), he helped found the Bay Area newspaper THE MOVEMENT.
He also wrote " All Power To The People" The Story Of The Black Panther Party... SF Free Press 1970 Terry Cannon was the p ress secretary for the Ceasar Chevez pilgrimage(feb - april 1966) link Before that he was working with the SNCC in Mississippi. He was HUGE in Civil Rights. SNCC field secretary in Alabama and California from 1965 to 1966. Cannon was founder and editor the newspaper the Movement, based in San Francisco, California, a position he left to organize Stop the Draft Week in 1967. He was one of seven activists, known as the Oakland Seven, to be arrested on conspiracy charges for their involvement in Oakland's Stop the Draft Week. In J anuary 1968 Alameda County CA indicted the 7 for conspiracy to trespass, to commite a public nuisance, to resist, delay and obstruct officers. Trial was winter of 68-69. Bernardine Dohrn told Steve Hamilton that Stop The Draft Week was one of the events that had convinced her it was time for the antiwar movement to do battle in the streets. 6 of the "Oakland 7" left to right - Steve Hamilton, Bob Mandel, Reese Erlich, TERRY CANNON(sitting down), Frank Bardacke, Mike Smith .... jeff segal is not in the photo
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Post by amazingates on Jan 26, 2020 0:10:11 GMT -8
I got sidetracked for the past few days, but tomorrow will get back to this. I still have a huge pile of docs to go through and sort out info and post. I've read ahead in a bit of it. Pretty interesting stuff. I wish I could go through it all faster and get it out here faster. Tomorrow I'll really try to get quite a bit more on here.
Don't think I'm "pointing at" anyone in these docs; I'm not. Everyone just needs to have this info and go from there with their own thoughts, and then after you assume you know what I'm thinking; know that you probably really do not know what I think. I do want to say, I'm not against what any of these people did during those times. It was a crazy time of confusion. Someone out there became "The Zodiac". I think these docs help everyone to see what was going on and whereat in all of this mess COINTELPRO was. Now do I point at them for this mess... well, yes I believe they were a huge contribution to some of this. We need to ponder just what were they doing, and who were they doing it to... people can think whatever they choose, but these docs will help you make your decision.
I believe we need to look at the WHOLE picture. I don't believe "THE ZODIAC" was some whacked person who one morning just woke up and decided to become a killer. I don't think they were stupid or crazy. I think the sign of the times molded them into what they became. I think they were just like other people I knew, maybe even people like me, who just tried to figure things out and got caught up in the craziness of the times. And somewhere in the midst of all these people, emerged Zodiac. That is my thought. And I think Cointelpro was the catalyst that set the world on fire. Maybe after I get all of these docs out here, along with all the other connections and information, you might think the same thing. Maybe you won't. but at least you will have the info to consider when making your own decision.
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Post by amazingates on Feb 4, 2020 0:00:42 GMT -8
Watch this all the way through, it starts out about anti-war, but then it gets into the STEALING of the COINTELPRO documents. AND WHY. Thanks so much to those who risked it and went in their and stole these documents.
I believe once you see what was going on ALL OVER the USA and overseas(Cointelpro) you will begin to understand why the Zodiac case is so messed up and why most likely NO ONE will ever be arrested, or at least not anyone connected to Cointelpro. I fully believe the Zodiac KILLER was part of Cointelpro and has been protected for years because to have arrested this person could mean this person could have told everything they knew. Therefore, and EXTORTION case.
If Zodiac KILLER is dead now, it might be that FINALLY the feds might allow the proof of who Zodiac KILLER really is, however, none of it will reflect the truth, it will be some "made up" something about some whacked out crazy individual, when all along it was someone they allowed to stay out there doing this because that someone was one of their informants.
If you go through all the cointelpro docs and really tear them apart and research every detail, you will see it.
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Post by amazingates on Feb 4, 2020 15:16:59 GMT -8
Is there NOTHING Cointelpro Won't Do? this is getting pretty ridiculous hahahaha . who is thinking this shit up? hahah
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Post by amazingates on Feb 4, 2020 15:22:16 GMT -8
I have so many document just full of crazy stuff cointelpro did. They were constantly faking letters from one source and sending it out to another source, to the point of getting people killed. They were catching murderers and letting go if they informed on some of the groups. They were writing fake articles in the news They were writing fake messages in real Code and putting them in the papers.
I think they did anything and everything someone could think up to do.
The started the "Secret Army Operation" made up of Minutemen who could go around and get away with anything, including murder, so long as they were doing the bidding of Cointelpro.
and the Zodiac case is tangled up in all this mess.
They had people infiltrated in all of the underground newspapers including the BARB, TRIBE and EXPRESS TIMES / GOOD TIMES
They had connections in the examiner who would put out fake articles for them.
The were getting fake witnesses to lie in order to convict people.
no wonder this case is so crazy
and it is no wonder why anyone who really knows something, sounds like they are crazy if they try to explain it. Thank God for the documents to PROVE it.
and now they are making FAKE POOP to squirt all over to try to stop the rallies and demonstrations?
Try to tell anyone all of this without having documentation to back it up.... see how crazy you would sound... and the feds relied on you sounding crazy, so no one will believe you.
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Post by amazingates on Feb 4, 2020 18:58:17 GMT -8
Here's a good example of FAKE letters cointelpro sent out about people. No wonder Huey Newton was getting mad. I wonder if cointelpro sent out something from Good Times and Gyke like this one. This was a fake letter written and sent to where the Black Panthers would get it and signing it SDS. SDS / weatherman and Panthers were all working together in the revolution. Cointelpro was sending out fake letters to cause division between all the factions.
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Post by amazingates on Feb 4, 2020 21:58:19 GMT -8
more on SDS.....
America in Ferment: The Tumultuous 1960s
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Late in the spring of 1962, five dozen college students gathered at a lakeside camp near Port Huron, Michigan, to discuss politics. For four days and nights, the members of an obscure student group, known as Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), talked passionately about such topics as civil rights, foreign policy, and the quality of American life. At 5 a.m. on June 16, the gathering ended when the participants agreed on a political platform that expressed their sentiments. This manifesto, one of the pivotal political documents of the 1960s, became known as the Port Huron Statement. The goal set forward in the Port Huron Statement was the creation of a radically new democratic political movement in the United States that rejected hierarchy and bureaucracy. In its most important paragraphs, the document called for "participatory democracy"--direct individual involvement in the decisions that affected their lives. This notion would become the battle cry of the student movement of the 1960s--a movement that came to be known as the New Left.
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The Port Huron Statement's chief author was Tom Hayden. Hayden was born in 1939, in Royal Oak, Michigan, a predominantly Catholic working-class suburb of Detroit. From an early age, he was unusually politically conscious and questioning of established authority. In high school, his idols were critics of conventional society, such as J. D. Salinger's Holden Caulfield and Mad Magazine's Alfred E. Neuman. He then attended the University of Michigan, read Jack Kerouac's beat novel On the Road, hitchhiked across the country, and witnessed student protests at the University of California at Berkeley. He spent much of 1961 in the South and was once badly beaten by local whites in McComb, Mississippi.
During the 1960s, Tom Hayden became one of the key figures in the New Left. In 1968, he flew to North Vietnam in protest of the Vietnam War. The next year, he gained further notoriety as one of the Chicago Seven defendants who were acquitted of charges of conspiring to disrupt the 1968 Democratic presidential convention. Briefly, Hayden dropped out of politics, moved to Venice, California, and lived under a pseudonym. Later, he married actress Jane Fonda and became a member of the California legislature.
During the 1960s, thousands of young college students, like Tom Hayden, became politically active. The first issue to spark student radicalism was the impersonality of the modern university, which many students criticized for being too bureaucratic and formal. Students questioned university requirements, restrictions on student political activities, and dormitory rules that limited the hours that male and female students could socialize with each other. Restrictions on students handing out political pamphlets on university property led to the first campus demonstrations that broke out at the University of California at Berkeley, and soon spread to other campuses.
Involvement in the Civil Rights Movement in the South initiated many students into radical politics. In the early 1960s, many white students from Northern universities began to participate in voter registration drives, freedom schools, sit-ins, and freedom rides in order to help desegregate the South. For the first time, many witnessed poverty, discrimination, and violence first hand.
Student radicalism also drew inspiration from a literature of social criticism that flourished in the 1950s. During that decade, many of the most popular films, novels, and writings aimed at young people criticized conventional middle class life. Popular films, like Rebel Without a Cause, and popular novels, like J. D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye, celebrated sensitive, directionless, alienated youths unable to conform to the conventional adult values of suburban and corporate America. Sophisticated works of social criticism, by such maverick sociologists, psychologists, and economists as Herbert Marcuse, Norman O. Brown, Paul Goodman, Michael Harrington, and C. Wright Mills, documented the growing concentration of power in the hands of social elites, the persistence of poverty in a land of plenty, and the stresses and injustices in America's social order.
Above all, student radicalism owed its support to student opposition of the Vietnam War. SDS held its first antiwar march in 1965, which attracted at least 15,000 protestors to Washington and commanded wide press attention. Over the next three years, opposition to the war brought thousands of new members to SDS. The organization grew phenomenally, from fewer than a thousand members in 1962 to at least 50,000 in 1968. In addition to its antiwar activities, members of SDS also tried to organize a democratic "interracial movement of the poor" in Northern city neighborhoods.
Many members of SDS quickly grew frustrated by the slow pace of social change and began to embrace violence as a tool to transform society. After 1968, SDS rapidly tore itself apart as an effective political force, and in its final convention in 1969, degenerated into a shouting match between radicals and moderates. That same year, the Weathermen, a surviving faction of SDS, attempted to launch a guerrilla war in the streets of Chicago--an incident known as the "Days of Rage"--to "tear pig city apart." Finally, in 1970 three members of the Weathermen blew themselves up in a Greenwich Village brownstone trying to make a bomb out of a stick of dynamite and an alarm clock.
Throughout the 1960s, the SDS and other radical student organizations claimed to speak for the nation's youth, and in thousands of editorials and magazine articles, journalists accepted this claim. In fact, the SDS represented only a small minority of college students who, themselves, composed a minority of the country's youth. Far more young Americans voted for George Wallace in 1968 than joined SDS, and most college students during the decade spent far more time studying and enjoying the college experience than protesting. Nevertheless, radical students did help to draw the nation's attention to the problem of racism in American society and the moral issues involved in the Vietnam War. In that sense, their impact far exceeded their numbers.
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