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Post by ophion1031 on Mar 22, 2020 22:30:28 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Mar 28, 2020 22:34:21 GMT -8
Thoresen was known to (according to his wife) meet strangers in the Presidio and invite them back to his house to party until the sun came up. What if Zodiac was one of those strangers that ended up back at Thoresen's mansion? I picture the two of them not getting along all that well and then Bill makes threats and tries to scare Zodiac by telling him "I have killed people and I'll kill you next." Zodiac laughs and says "bitch, I'm the Zodiac Killer. Go for it." Not in those exact words though haha. Anyways, Thoresen wants proof, so Zodiac says to keep an eye on the newspapers for the murder of a cab driver. And this is why Paul Stine is shot and killed.
I know this is probably not what happened, but it is possible, and this is what happens in the Thoresen screenplay that I have been working on.
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Post by zodiacmaniac on Mar 29, 2020 7:36:47 GMT -8
Thanks, Ophion. By the way, Crypt looks cool.
There was a time when I didn't suspect Thoresen was Zodiac. Though I knew he lived in San Francisco from '64 on, that he'd been traveling to LA starting in '62, and one of the cops in his hometown told me Thoreesn was extremely dangerous.
I also knew of his weapons hoarding, and interest in things military. And, by the late sixties, he had been a suspect in several brutal murders including Valerie Percy (which the FBI suspected him of. She was a neighbor of his parents.) It wasn’t until years later, however, that I heard witnesses describe the way Zodiac talked. In addition to all of the above, I knew that Thoresen had been a stutterer, that his wife had studied speech therapy, and she had worked with him in this regard (this is all in her book, which few apparently read.)
After that, it was red flag city. For example take the Stein murder. The witnesses saw the killer had red in his hair. So did Thoresen (this is also documented in his wife’s book.) They also saw him walk in the direction of Thoresen’s house in Pacific Heights. (The cops also saw a suspect walking in the direction of Thoresen’s house.)
In the Bus Bomb letter, where Zodiac references the cops searching for him with K-9 units in the park after the murder, Zodiac wrote “the dogs never came with in 2 blocks of me + and they were to the west…” Thoresen’s former house, at 2801 Broadway, is exactly two blocks east of where they were searching for Zodiac.
Then look at the mailings. The envelope of the last mailing to arrive while Thoresen was alive contains Zodiac’s standard double postage, double stamps and handwritten “editor” request (which are consistent in all his mailings to the media up to the time Thoresen died.) But check the envelope of the first mailing to arrive after Thoresen died (if memory serves me well it is postmarked 6/26/70.) There are no double stamps, double postage and no editor notation. The envelopes remain this way until well into 1971.
Postmarked 16 days after his death, that first post Thoresen mailing seems about how long it would have taken the FBI to learn that he was dead, and hear what his wife said about his confession to her (and all the people he murdered. Some of which they suspected or even knew he was responsible for.) Consider how crazy the story of Thoresen is (this is what required a book to explain.) In the early sixties he was convicted of rape but unexpectedly paroled (keep in mind Thoresen’s family was worth about 80 million bucks in the 1960s, which adjusted for inflation means they were near billionaires. Today we might call his case one of afluenza…on steroids.)
In ’67, in front of numerous witnesses, he broke a waiter’s arm and, separately, a woman’s nose. After breaking the woman’s nose, he was charged with trying to bribe the cops who arrested him (this happened in Vegas.)
In spite of all this, like after he was convicted of rape and then mysteriously paroled after a couple of months, Thoresen remained free. Additionally he was a guy who was busted in SF in 1967 with over 70 tons of military weapons, which he had transported and purchased illegally. He was under indictment on various weapons charges. The FBI believed he beat and stabbed Percy to death and knew that he was a suspect in his brother’s shooting death.
Needless to say, once he was dead a lot of people had reason to fear the disclosure of these things (in addition to the fact that he was Zodiac) as it would have cost them their jobs, including J. Edgar Hoover. Percy was the daughter of a sitting US Senator. That is a pretty powerful guy. Also, in the mid sixties, Thoresen hired none other than Zodiac correspondent Melvin Belli to fight Thoresen’s extradition from CA to AZ to face bombing charges. Belli got him out of that (this also is documented in Thoresen’s wife’s book, the timeline of which by the time she gets to 68-69 seems to parallel much of what Zodiac was doing. And, at that part in the book, she is conspicuously vague about just when things happened where she is not regarding the telling of what happened before then.)
Keep in mind, I’m not even getting into the things that link the Percy murder and Lake Berryessa attacks, and documents that link the Bates Confession Letter and Hautz letter to a brutal double murder in Illinois (where Thoeresen was from) that has Zodiac written all over it and took place between the Lake Herman Road and Blue Rock Springs attacks, a time which many have suspected that Zodiac was active though said activity had yet to be discovered.
I have reduced the price of the book to make it affordable to as many as possible in these challenging times. Barring that, one could always request its order by your local library, which hopefully one of these days will reopen. I hope everyone’s staying safe. Cheers.
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Post by ophion1031 on Apr 1, 2020 2:26:04 GMT -8
Hi, Glenn! Welcome to the new site. I am looking forward to reading your book in the near future. I plan on ordering a copy soon. I definitely agree that Thoresen killed Valerie Percy, as well as Judith Mae Andersen and the hitman he hired to kill his brother. Dale Stoddard I believe was his name, if my memory is worth a damn. There is just so much crime surrounding this guy and I have thought about the possibility of him being Zodiac because he lived so close to the Stine murder. I have a feeling that Zodiac may have hid out in the home of Kjell Qvale after the murder. I have wondered if Thoresen and him were friends. Thoresen collecting Ferrari's could be a link between he and Qvale, possibly. I also think that Thoresen was the type of guy that would write taunting letters to the newspapers. He hated authority and was talked about in papers all across the country. I think that if he was Zodiac, which I have been laughed at for even suggesting in the past, that he likely had a partner. I don't think Thoresen had any knowledge of ciphers, not as far as I have seen anyways. Here is a link to the William Thoresen thread: theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/43/william-thoresen-iiiI'm sure there are several things that I never found about him. I did not know that he was convicted of rape, as you mentioned. Since Thoresen was using and distributing LSD, one thing that has been on my mind is if he had any links to the MK Ultra project. He spent a little bit of time, and I mean very little, in mental institutions. And with his money, who knows what kind of connections he had that we will never know about. There are a couple people that lived right where Stine was murdered that I think could have been people Thoresen knew.... George Livermore. He was the architect that Thoresen hired to remodel his mansion. Around 1966 or 1967, there was a dispute over a bill that Livermore sent to Thoresen, which Bill refused to pay. Hell, he broke that waiter's arm because his check was 75 cents too high, or something like that. Imagine what he would do to someone he owed thousands of dollars to. The problem with that is that Livermore did not live at the corner of Washington & Cherry in 1969 when Stine was murdered. He did live there a few years prior, when there was the dispute over the bill that Livermore sent Thoresen. But Bill may not have known that Livermore had moved. I do think there is a chance that Stine was killed at that particular corner to send a message to someone living there. Which brings me to this person... Dr. Meyer A. Zeligs - Not only did he live at Washington & Cherry, but his office was a block or two from where Paul Stine picked up his killer. Dr. Zeligs was a psychiatrist. Perhaps Thoresen was a patient of his? I do believe, based on everything I have read, that Zeligs was involved in the MK Ultra experiments. Maybe Thoresen was an MK Ultra victim. He would be the perfect candidate, and if the CIA recruited him for this purpose then it could explain why he never got in much trouble anytime he got arrested. It would also explain why the Zodiac case was never solved. It's something to think about anyways.
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Post by ophion1031 on Mar 14, 2021 22:01:47 GMT -8
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