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Post by ophion1031 on Aug 6, 2018 20:11:40 GMT -8
If you have selected 'other' as your choice, please leave a comment with the name of your favorite serial killer. Cheers!
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Post by grasshopper on Sept 9, 2018 22:12:05 GMT -8
It's not letting me vote
Nevermind lol voted for the Nightstalker
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Post by grizzlegimp on Oct 23, 2019 19:32:53 GMT -8
Gein is m favorite
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Post by amazingates on Oct 25, 2019 1:33:31 GMT -8
I selected OTHER Serial killer because my favorite Serial Killer is what I believe to be a GROUP who is responsible for several murders.
I like the Zodiac case but I don't believe The Zodiac is ONE person.
I like BTK case as well, but I think he might be tied to something bigger.
I like any serial killer case that has to do with crypics and codes
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 26, 2019 23:59:45 GMT -8
I selected OTHER Serial killer because my favorite Serial Killer is what I believe to be a GROUP who is responsible for several murders. I like the Zodiac case but I don't believe The Zodiac is ONE person. I like BTK case as well, but I think he might be tied to something bigger. I like any serial killer case that has to do with crypics and codes What do you think about Son of Sam maybe belonging to a group of killers as well? Are you familiar with Dave Oranchak's 340 web toy? Someone on there came up with something interesting with that and it had the name Rader in it. I really don't want Rader to be the Zodiac, I think that would be boring, but he did taunt police like Zodiac did. There were other killers that did the same. Maybe they were copycats, maybe it was Zodiac, or it could be a group as you have suggested. I responded to something you posted in another thread about COINTELPRO and I find that angle very interesting. I'll start a thread on that soon and I'll copy some things from my old site that others have posted that go along with that theory.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 27, 2019 0:00:41 GMT -8
Is it true that when police showed up at Gein's house that he answered the door and the first thing he said was "I didn't kill anybody" or something along those lines?
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 12:07:00 GMT -8
I selected OTHER Serial killer because my favorite Serial Killer is what I believe to be a GROUP who is responsible for several murders. I like the Zodiac case but I don't believe The Zodiac is ONE person. I like BTK case as well, but I think he might be tied to something bigger. I like any serial killer case that has to do with crypics and codes What do you think about Son of Sam maybe belonging to a group of killers as well? Are you familiar with Dave Oranchak's 340 web toy? Someone on there came up with something interesting with that and it had the name Rader in it. I really don't want Rader to be the Zodiac, I think that would be boring, but he did taunt police like Zodiac did. There were other killers that did the same. Maybe they were copycats, maybe it was Zodiac, or it could be a group as you have suggested. I responded to something you posted in another thread about COINTELPRO and I find that angle very interesting. I'll start a thread on that soon and I'll copy some things from my old site that others have posted that go along with that theory.
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Post by amazingates on Oct 28, 2019 12:37:22 GMT -8
I have not looked at Son of Sam as much as I should have, and it also has been quite a few years ago. I did briefly scan over some of his writings and what he told the police, and I think there is a good possiblity(although, again, I have not looked at this case that much) that Son of Sam is part of something bigger. When I first looked at the case (when I was not as "well versed" in the "language" of The Zodiac), I had thought I was noticing some similarities in the writing "language" of Son of Sam with Zodiac and Rader; certainly not as skillful as Zodiac and Rader are with the Words, but there was something that clicked about it. I'll really have to go over the Son of Sam case more to be able to give an actual informed opinion on that.
Now as far as Dennis Rader goes, I have wondered many times if he is The Zodiac, however, it makes more sense to me that he is more likely one person in The Zodiac Group. I will have to get my notes out of storage, but the puzzle Rader made, has another level to it. The surface level was solved, but not the underlying one. When I went through that I figured out the underlying puzzle and in the very center of it, it read ZODIAC. I can't remember how I did it now, it is all in my notes though and I know I can do it again when I get my notes, and I can explain it in detail how I did it. It was basic and not anything complex that picks and chooses random stuff. It followed a simple set of rules.
The other thing that Rader does is he copies everything The Zodiac Does. I have letters and envelopes he does the exact same things with, down to every detail. So even if he is not The Zodiac, he has certain mastered Zodiac's word language and habits. It would take some doing for someone to figure all that out about Zodiac and how Zodiac does things if they were not part of The Zodiac or if someone who actually was involved in Zodiac tell someone the rules. It took me a LONG LONG LONG time to be able to understand the "language" of Zodiac, and I already knew what it was he was doing, but I'm still slow at it; and I've been a word cryptic person all my life. So I don't think Rader just managed to do that all on his own. I don't think anyone is just going to pick that stuff up and figure it out, unless they already know how it is done. So yes, I do think Rader is connected to The Zodiac in some way... or... he already knew the "language" from some other common denominator with The Zodiac and he could read it and decided "play the game" along with The Zodiac. It is a GAME, the only problem is, the stakes are high and someone else is controlling it. However, I believe we have someone gone rogue... maybe a few someone's. I'll explain my thoughts elsewhere
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 1:03:18 GMT -8
If you look for similarities with some of these killers, the one thing that sticks out the most to me is that they all wrote taunting letters. Zodiac, Rader, Son of Sam, Kaczynski... I wonder if Zodiac inspired this in other killers, or there could be some network as you mention, and that this network all write letters for whatever reason. Of course the taunting letters can actually be credited to Jack the Ripper, the original. I have always liked the group idea and have had some wacky theories about who may be involved, but I think that the few people out there that believe this theory are all missing something. There has to be something that we are missing. And I also think it all lies within these letters, codes, ciphers, puzzles etc. And my guess is that if it is ever solved, it will be genius! I would like to see the Rader puzzle that you are talking about if you get a chance to post it at some point. I think the Zodiac 340, the "my name is" cipher, the Phillips 66 map, everything else... it all probably has hidden messages in it and all connects somehow. Randall Clemons work, if accurate, would be a great example of that and I will try to post his ideas at some point. I think the 340 has multiple layers to it. I mentioned in another thread about a guy in Australia that may have partially solved the 340 and basically he has a 9x9 box in the middle of the cipher and inside this box you will see "Paradice," "slaves," "by rope," "by gun," "by fire," "by knife" and "Rader." Now if this is an actual solve the I think the rest of the 340, outside of the 9x9 box, will probably have a different set of "rules" and will contain another message or messages, maybe even some clues to the killer(s) identity. I just found the article on Richard's site that I was talking about: www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/340-cipher-9x9-grid-by-john-roseAnd look how Paradice and slaves intersect exactly like in the Halloween card!! So if this 9x9 box contains "Paradice," "slaves," "by rope," "by gun," "by fire," "by knife" and "Rader" and is actually REAL, well... I find that boring. I guess over the years I have come to expect a lot out of this cipher and so I am going to take the 9x9 grid out of it and try to work with the remainder of the cipher and see if anything can be found.
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Post by ophion1031 on Oct 29, 2019 1:22:25 GMT -8
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Post by ragnarok on Jan 13, 2021 2:56:25 GMT -8
So who does everyone think the most morbid serial killer is? Who is the weirdest? I go with Gein for most morbid and Fish as the weirdest.
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Post by ophion1031 on Jan 16, 2021 20:39:34 GMT -8
So who does everyone think the most morbid serial killer is? Who is the weirdest? I go with Gein for most morbid and Fish as the weirdest. I agree..... Gein was the most morbid, and Fish was the weirdest.
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Post by touchmysheenis on Jan 24, 2021 20:41:48 GMT -8
So who does everyone think the most morbid serial killer is? Who is the weirdest? I go with Gein for most morbid and Fish as the weirdest. IMO Holmes is the most morbid. Fish is the weirdest
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Post by tyrant on Jan 25, 2021 22:11:27 GMT -8
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Post by sezza1981 on May 9, 2021 13:23:52 GMT -8
Voted for Zodiac
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