Post by ophion1031 on Aug 12, 2018 23:01:31 GMT -8
The CIA were doing MK Ultra experiments in the bay area during the time that the Zodiac crimes were happening. Could there be a connection? Perhaps the CIA was behind it. That would explain why nobody was ever caught as well as there only being one cipher that was solved, which was intentionally done. We know that Zodiac suspect Ted Kaczynski was a victim of the MK Ultra testing while he was at Harvard. Kaczynski's handwriting is very similar to the Zodiac letters, particularly the letter that Melvin Belli received from Z. If you ask me, that letter is damn near identical to Kaczynski's handwriting. Now, Ted has some things working against him as far as being a Zodiac suspect; 1. He looks nothing like the Stine composite, and 2. His MO as a killer is very different than the Zodiac murders. This does not mean he wasn't the Zodiac. I personally don't think he committed any of the murders, but with his knowledge in codes/ciphers as well as bombs, you can't ignore him as a suspect. I think there is a pretty good chance that he was involved. Maybe he helped plan the attacks, wrote the letters, created the ciphers and bomb diagrams. If so, was he persuaded by the CIA?
Kaczynski will have his own thread, so lets keep this one to discussing MK Ultra and the CIA's possible involvement in the Zodiac crimes.
Most people believe that the crimes were the all committed by one crazy man. I don't buy that one bit. To me, there had to have been at least one killer and one person writing the letters. Or it may have been a team of people. The costume at Lake Berryessa, and other reasons, make me think that someone possibly created Zodiac as a "sinister character" to make headlines and get the police to focus on his capture, using up their valuable time and resources. Why? Could be to draw the police's attention away from other crimes. But that is for another thread as well. My point is that the CIA would do things like that.
If you have any information on the MK Ultra program from the bay area in late 60's/early 70's, please post it. I do know that the experiments were happening at Mare Island Naval Base, Agnews State Hospital, San Quentin prison and Oakland Naval Hospital. I'm sure there were several other facilities where this was taking place.
*Note: Darlene Ferrin supposedly took a boat ride at Mare Island the day she was killed.
*Note 2: Fred Manalli may have been experimented on at San Quentin while he was teaching there.
Wasn't Ross Sullivan a patient at Agnews? Fred Manalli was supposedly a volunteer test subject at San Quentin Prison, where he was teaching writing to inmates. Mare Island is interesting because a lot of people believe Zodiac had ties there and may have even worked there. It has been said that Darlene Ferrin took a boat ride at Mare Island on the day that she was murdered.
I found some cool stuff in a book that I am reading about "sleeper agents," which are the people who have successfully been brainwashed in these mind control programs. If you are not familiar with this, basically they just place these people in society as "normal people," return them to their former life or set them up somewhere else or whatever, and then they tap these people when they are needed for whatever "mission." The long term "sleeper agents" are also known as "deep cover agents." And this all probably ties in to those lovely people known as the Freemasons.
The CIA ran an LSD sex house in San Francisco, which they started back in the 50's. "The site of “Operation Midnight Climax” — a top-secret mind-control program in which CIA agents used hookers to lure unsuspecting johns from North Beach bars to what they called “the pad,” then dosed the men with LSD and observed the X-rated goings-on through a two-way mirror while sitting on a portable toilet swilling martinis."
www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/When-the-CIA-ran-a-LSD-sex-house-in-San-Francisco-7223346.php
This link is an interesting read: mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/dr-sidney-gottieb/
I didn't read the entire thing, but here are some things I gathered from the timeline nearly halfway down the site...
August 30, 1967
Ronnie Flenaugh declared insane. Flenaugh was arrested in Berkeley for auto theft. He was allegedly caught in a black/white Porshe (Case No. 040884). Ronnie said that he was drugged (in veins and food) while in Berkeley City Jail. Ronnie also said that he wouldn’t willingly join a religious group (Peoples Temple?). He said that he wouldn’t commit treason and that was why he was jailed. Flenaugh was shipped straight to Agnews State Hospital. Flenaugh WAS crazy, I have done a lot of reading on him in the past. Some of his family members were crazy as well. I don't think it was that he had "mental problems," it seemed more like he just didn't care about anything and would do whatever he wanted without worrying about dying or going to prison.
July 30, 1969
Someone at Sharon Tate’s home called Esalen Institute in Big Sur (408) 667-2335. Charles Manson plays guitar for some people at Esalen. Dr. Valerie Hunt of UCLA, Richard Price and Dr. Julian Silverman of Esalen Institute were at Agnews State Hospital doing experiments on patients when Flenaugh was committed there.
August 6, 1969
Manson at Esalen playing his music for some select individuals.
August 9, 1969
Sharon Tate Murders in L.A. William Richard Walley of LAPD first on scene. Richard Walley led CII for Evelle Younger in the “Death Angels” matters. Brussell maintain that Walley & LAPD found a pair of glasses on the scene that did not belong to any of the victims. The glasses were linked to Dr. Otha of Santa Cruz.
Other possible locations for mind control experiments?
March 1970
Paul Cook released from San Quentin. Cook has information on mind control programs at San Quentin. Cook enrolls at Merritt Jr. College on Grove/MLK way. Ronnie Flenaugh also claimed to be a student. Cook wears turban and chains. Flenaugh and William E. Mapp wear capes and turbans.
July 1970
Donald Defreeze begins CIA stress conditioning with Stanford’s CIA station agent, Dr. James A. Hamilton, at Vacaville Men’s Medical Facility.
Something else interesting from that link...
"September 19, 1971
Ernie Styrman, 50, 440 Geary St. SF, Yellow Cab driver was shot and killed in a Death Angel assault on Campbell Street, south of Grand Avenue, Oakland, CA. (Oakland Tribune, pg. 1, 9/20/71) UNSOLVED"
The "Death Angels" were blacks who were on a rampage killing whites in the 1970's and the link talks about some of these people possible being mind control test subjects.
Here is a documentary on MK Ultra, which there are many of on the Youtubes:
Kaczynski will have his own thread, so lets keep this one to discussing MK Ultra and the CIA's possible involvement in the Zodiac crimes.
Most people believe that the crimes were the all committed by one crazy man. I don't buy that one bit. To me, there had to have been at least one killer and one person writing the letters. Or it may have been a team of people. The costume at Lake Berryessa, and other reasons, make me think that someone possibly created Zodiac as a "sinister character" to make headlines and get the police to focus on his capture, using up their valuable time and resources. Why? Could be to draw the police's attention away from other crimes. But that is for another thread as well. My point is that the CIA would do things like that.
If you have any information on the MK Ultra program from the bay area in late 60's/early 70's, please post it. I do know that the experiments were happening at Mare Island Naval Base, Agnews State Hospital, San Quentin prison and Oakland Naval Hospital. I'm sure there were several other facilities where this was taking place.
*Note: Darlene Ferrin supposedly took a boat ride at Mare Island the day she was killed.
*Note 2: Fred Manalli may have been experimented on at San Quentin while he was teaching there.
Wasn't Ross Sullivan a patient at Agnews? Fred Manalli was supposedly a volunteer test subject at San Quentin Prison, where he was teaching writing to inmates. Mare Island is interesting because a lot of people believe Zodiac had ties there and may have even worked there. It has been said that Darlene Ferrin took a boat ride at Mare Island on the day that she was murdered.
I found some cool stuff in a book that I am reading about "sleeper agents," which are the people who have successfully been brainwashed in these mind control programs. If you are not familiar with this, basically they just place these people in society as "normal people," return them to their former life or set them up somewhere else or whatever, and then they tap these people when they are needed for whatever "mission." The long term "sleeper agents" are also known as "deep cover agents." And this all probably ties in to those lovely people known as the Freemasons.
The CIA ran an LSD sex house in San Francisco, which they started back in the 50's. "The site of “Operation Midnight Climax” — a top-secret mind-control program in which CIA agents used hookers to lure unsuspecting johns from North Beach bars to what they called “the pad,” then dosed the men with LSD and observed the X-rated goings-on through a two-way mirror while sitting on a portable toilet swilling martinis."
www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/When-the-CIA-ran-a-LSD-sex-house-in-San-Francisco-7223346.php
This link is an interesting read: mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/dr-sidney-gottieb/
I didn't read the entire thing, but here are some things I gathered from the timeline nearly halfway down the site...
August 30, 1967
Ronnie Flenaugh declared insane. Flenaugh was arrested in Berkeley for auto theft. He was allegedly caught in a black/white Porshe (Case No. 040884). Ronnie said that he was drugged (in veins and food) while in Berkeley City Jail. Ronnie also said that he wouldn’t willingly join a religious group (Peoples Temple?). He said that he wouldn’t commit treason and that was why he was jailed. Flenaugh was shipped straight to Agnews State Hospital. Flenaugh WAS crazy, I have done a lot of reading on him in the past. Some of his family members were crazy as well. I don't think it was that he had "mental problems," it seemed more like he just didn't care about anything and would do whatever he wanted without worrying about dying or going to prison.
July 30, 1969
Someone at Sharon Tate’s home called Esalen Institute in Big Sur (408) 667-2335. Charles Manson plays guitar for some people at Esalen. Dr. Valerie Hunt of UCLA, Richard Price and Dr. Julian Silverman of Esalen Institute were at Agnews State Hospital doing experiments on patients when Flenaugh was committed there.
August 6, 1969
Manson at Esalen playing his music for some select individuals.
August 9, 1969
Sharon Tate Murders in L.A. William Richard Walley of LAPD first on scene. Richard Walley led CII for Evelle Younger in the “Death Angels” matters. Brussell maintain that Walley & LAPD found a pair of glasses on the scene that did not belong to any of the victims. The glasses were linked to Dr. Otha of Santa Cruz.
Other possible locations for mind control experiments?
March 1970
Paul Cook released from San Quentin. Cook has information on mind control programs at San Quentin. Cook enrolls at Merritt Jr. College on Grove/MLK way. Ronnie Flenaugh also claimed to be a student. Cook wears turban and chains. Flenaugh and William E. Mapp wear capes and turbans.
July 1970
Donald Defreeze begins CIA stress conditioning with Stanford’s CIA station agent, Dr. James A. Hamilton, at Vacaville Men’s Medical Facility.
Something else interesting from that link...
"September 19, 1971
Ernie Styrman, 50, 440 Geary St. SF, Yellow Cab driver was shot and killed in a Death Angel assault on Campbell Street, south of Grand Avenue, Oakland, CA. (Oakland Tribune, pg. 1, 9/20/71) UNSOLVED"
The "Death Angels" were blacks who were on a rampage killing whites in the 1970's and the link talks about some of these people possible being mind control test subjects.
Here is a documentary on MK Ultra, which there are many of on the Youtubes: