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Post by amazingates on Nov 3, 2019 10:24:12 GMT -8
I don't know if we had this already or not. I know we know about the info, but not sure we had the doc info
Hmmm. this says it was issued 1973... I thought we thought 1978... or maybe I'm mixed up with someone else. ? Let me check.
UPDATE: okay, I went back and checked and everything we have on this whole thread says he applied for SS card in 1978.... but here it says in the doc info that he actually applied for the SS number in 1973. so what is up with this?
Name: Joseph N. Chandler SSN: 504-80-3358 Last Residence: 44095 Eastlake, Lake, Ohio, USA Born: 11 Mar 1937 Died: 24 Jul 2002 State (Year) SSN issued: South Dakota (1973)
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Post by amazingates on Nov 3, 2019 10:45:12 GMT -8
I just noticed something.
He lives on LAKE shore in LAKE County ohio. he lives in EastLAKE, in Lake County ohio He has a Canyon LAKE address. grand rapids South Dakota
what is up with All the LAKE addresses?
and I just notice that RAPIDS is water also haha
Let me see if there are more
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Post by amazingates on Nov 3, 2019 11:12:04 GMT -8
ok I'm going to go back to this and see if he was out there around this uncle who was a year younger than him. He wrote to his mother so maybe he was out there with his uncle, his mother's brother
This is Robert Ivan Nichols' Uncle Vincent, Robert's mother's brother
his uncle is in whittier in 1992 Name: Vincent Schreiber Address: 13277 Meyer Rd Apt B, Whittier, CA, 90605-3580 (1991) [11103 Dicky St, Whittier, CA, 90606-1823 (1992)]
Name: Vincent H Schreiber Social Security #: 401012898 Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 Oct 1903 Birth Place: Indiana Death Date: 22 Jan 1991 Death Place: Los Angeles Mother's Maiden Name: Hessing
he was married to helen baxter
so he died in Los Angeles. He was a year younger than Robert even though he was Robert's Uncle. Maybe Robert Ivan Nichols went out to california to see is uncle who was a year younger? they might have been close. I'll have to find dates. I don't know what years his uncle was in cali, only that he died there. If I find more I'll come back and add it to this post.
all the other uncles and aunts were still living back in Indiana, except for one was living in ohio.
Vincent H Schreiber (Robert Nichols maternal Uncle; one yr younger than Robert Nichols and living in Los Angeles Area.) BIRTH 5 Oct 1903 DEATH 22 Jan 1991 (aged 87) BURIAL Rose Hills Memorial Park Whittier, Los Angeles County, California, USA MEMORIAL ID 137859830 Father Wilmert Benton Schreiber 1867–1962
mother Amanda Hessing Schreiber 1868–1938
Siblings
Walter A. Schreiber 1889–1972
Paul Schreiber 1891–1975
Ruth H. Schreiber Farnsley ( hmmm I remember seeing Farnsley connected to something) 1893–1979
Joseph H. Schreiber 1895–1972
Alpha Schreiber Nichols 1897–1990
Garlena A. Schreiber Scheibenberger 1899–1980
Kennard O. Schreiber 1901–1996
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 3, 2019 20:10:13 GMT -8
So many unanswered questions. I don't think he was ducking child support either. Sure it is possible, but you would think he would have changed his name a lot sooner than 1978. Another theory is that he was a CIA spook that saw too much and that is why he went into hiding.
The possible North Carolina marriage could be huge if anyone can find out if this actually happened. He has employment records in Ohio while he as supposedly also living in North Carolina. I would think it was a different Joseph N. Chandler that got married in NC, but if it was the same guy then maybe the woman he married can be tracked down and provide some new information, assuming she is still alive.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 3, 2019 20:16:08 GMT -8
Do you know if Marvin Nichols, Robert's younger brother, is still alive? I know his older brother is deceased, but have not been able to find out if Marvin is alive or not. I'm sure investigators have reached out to him if he is alive.
Another thing people need to realize is that when Nichols cut off contact with his ex-wife and kids that he also cut off contact with his parents and siblings. If he was dodging child support, why would he cut ties with his family? That makes no sense to me.
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 3, 2019 21:53:11 GMT -8
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 3, 2019 21:55:10 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 3:33:13 GMT -8
Do you know if Marvin Nichols, Robert's younger brother, is still alive? I know his older brother is deceased, but have not been able to find out if Marvin is alive or not. I'm sure investigators have reached out to him if he is alive. Another thing people need to realize is that when Nichols cut off contact with his ex-wife and kids that he also cut off contact with his parents and siblings. If he was dodging child support, why would he cut ties with his family? That makes no sense to me. ___________ I did not have time to research anything today, but I'll certainly check all this out tomorrow. but marvin Lewis Nichols is deceased Name: Marvin Nichols Age: 67 Birth Date: Abt 1944 Death Date: Abt 2011 Publication Date: 22 May 2011 Publication Place: USA a couple of addresses where marvin was living in NC Name Marvin L Nichols Birth Date5 Dec 1928 Address PO Box 1006, Beaufort, 28516-1006 (1986), NC Name Marvin L Nichols Birth Date5 Dec 1928 Address 308 Harbour Point Rd, Beaufort, NC - 28516 no date when living there this is a POSSIBLE marriage for marvin, but I'm not sure it is him. not sure why he would be getting married in flordia.I'll check it out tomorrow Name Marvin L. Nichols Spouse Lucretia C. Wright County of Marriage Dade Marriage Date1953Volume1432Certificate11445 Source Florida Department of Health Household Members NameAge Name Marvin L. Nichols Name Lucretia C. Wright
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 11:18:43 GMT -8
This probably not the right Robert Ivan Nichols as the father on this virginia marriage license.. .. but it MIGHT be. I'll check more Interesting that it is in Virginia.He is listed as the father of the bride. she was born in new york in 1956. Need to compare with what else we know he was doing at the time. I'll have to go look, can't remember off the top of my head. was he married to his other wife then? He married his wife Laverne Agnes Kort in 1947 and leaves her in 1964.... now I can't find the marriage license for these two... do we have it? All I have found on the marriage is a relative stating they were married in 1964. Has anyone actually seen a marriage license? well also there is the letter Robert wrote to his divorce attorney where Robert asked for his final decree documents. But I would like to see the actual marriage license. I have not found one? is there one around here, and I missed it? so if this marriage below where a Robert ivan nichols is the father of this bride, if this is OUR robert Ivan Nichols, and if this is his daughter born in 1956, then she was born while he was living with and married to Laverne. hmm could this really be him? It's possible that is who he went to see in Virginia? here is a photo of Nelda Nichols in New york high school in 1971.. this would make her the right age as the one in the marriage license above, does she look anything like "our" Robert Ivan Nichols? It looks like the daughter might have been remarried in 20029( might not even be the right nelda sue nichols though) Name: Nelda Sue Nichols Marriage Date: 6 Jul 2002 Marriage Place: Richmond, Virginia, USA Spouse: Robert Edward Share this one might also be here in tx? I have to check on these Name: Nelda Nichols Gender: Female Age: 44 Birth Year: abt 1956 Marriage Date: 29 Jul 2000 Marriage Place: DeWitt, Texas, USA Spouse: James S Garner Spouse Gender: Male Spouse Age: 43 there is one in texas born october 12, 1956, so the above one, might be this one, if so, wrong birthdate for the one on the marriage license with the father robert ivan nichols. the october 12 1956 one might be the one in woodland ca, from 1975-78, who was married to a Robert Nichols. I have to check on that one too. hmmm the one in tex born october 12 1956 maiden name is Peoples, but middle name is nadanne born dewitt tx so most likely not her at all..(coincidence, one of the girls in modesto murdered and dumped on maze rd 132 in the vineyard is last name Peoples; see the modesto murders thread) _________________ this might possibly be the mother(Mertha Elaine Norton) on the above birth cerficate above, who is listed as the mother and robert ivan nichols is listed as the father there is a Martha Eileen Norton born november 7, 1928 in south bend indiana(4 hours from where "our" robert nichols was born) but the middle name is spelled different for martha, but going to check her out anyway. there is an elaine M Norton living in los angeles in 1960.. might have went by middle name. (I'm just checking out anything at all that might fit. you just don't know about these people and their names)
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Post by amazingates on Nov 4, 2019 11:36:37 GMT -8
There really is no PROOF of this but it is starting to look like MAYBE "our" Robert Ivan Nichols could have had wives and children all over the place. Maybe he was a bigamist with a bunch of kids all over the place? Just a THOUGHT. "IF" might be true, he could be all over the place under so many names with so many wives and kids it's crazy.
He did not know he was suppose to get a final decree of marriage from Laverne... and he waited years to worry about that, so I'm thinking he went to get married and somehow they caught the marriage to laverne and they told him he had to PROVE he was no longer married to Laverne. He could have remarried under the "confidential marriage" law of california and so there is no record of that anywhere that is public for us to find? also if he married under "confidential law" any time, no matter how many times, he would not have to have a divorce decree to remarry again, because no one could find the record of the marriages if there were any.(It takes a court order to look, and who would even think to look; and where, and under what name?) He knew how to get ID in another person's name, so how many times did he do that? he could have married and had kids under those names as well. Either way, when he decided he was tired of a family, he just got up and left?
All just a "guess" at this point, but I'm wondering.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 10:11:21 GMT -8
there was a Hubert B Chandler in the miliary navy and marines 055 company C (I need to find Robert Ivan Nichols' military company) Hubert B Chandler lived in Munice indiana, 3 hours from "our" Robert Ivan Nichols This Hubert B Chandlers father ( Elmer H Chandler) was born in waynesboro, virginia / dies in augusta GA sometimes waynesboro is viginia and sometimes west virginia, same place just crosses over through the highway
The chandler family -grandfather of Joseph Newton Chandler ID is from GAI'm wondering if Hubert and Robert Nichols new each other and could have been visiting in indiana 3 hours apart? Long way to try to find the Chandler connection, but might be the only way to do it. Elmer H Chandler's mother is Rebecca Mooney this would be Hubert B Chandler's grandmother.
Hubert B Chandler and Laura Farran has a daughter Alice Lorraine Chandler Hubert Burt Chandler's father was living in Augusta Georgia (so was Joseph Newton Chandler's ID Grandfather) Hubert Burt Chandler's father was born in Waynesboro, Virginia(Robert Ivan Nichols sends letters from Virginia) Hubert Burt Chandler and family mother and father all living in Munice Indiana, 3 hours from Robert Ivan Nichols and family Hubert But Chandler same age as Robert Ivan Nichols - both listed with casualties, both listed as Navy and Marines Name: E. H. Chandler . Elmer H Chandler Father of Hubert Burt Chandler Gender: Male Death Age: 90 Birth Date: abt 1881 Residence Place: Augusta County, GA. Death Date: Abt 1971 Death Place: 2414 S. Beacon St. Obituary Date: 28 Mar 1971 Obituary Place: Muncie, Indiana, United States of America Spouse: Laura Child: Forrest Hazelbaker ( who is this)Hubert Chandler ____________________________ in the navy casualties is listed "our" Robert Ivan Nichols also listed is a Name: Hubert B ChandlerResidence Place: Indiana, USA Branch of Service: US Navy ( this says navy, other places he is listed USMC)Father: Elmer H Chandler Volume Title: Combat Naval Casualties, World War II, (AL-MO) address listed is 1412 Kirby ave, Munice Indiana. ____________________________ not sure if this is him, but if so need to try to hook up his military service around Robert Ivan Nichols Name: Hubert B Chandler Muster Date: Jul 1945 Rank: Private First ClassStation: First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division, Fleet Marine Force. from another source says marine corp 055 co C
Name: Hubert B Chandler Relative Name: Mr. and Mrs. Elmer H Chandler Relative Relationship: Parents (Parent)State: Indiana Country: United States Type of Casualty: Wounded In Action Roll: ww2c_27 ________________ this is most likely also him 055Name: Hubert B Chandler Muster Date: Jan 1946 Rank: Corporal Station: Discharged At The Separation Center, Usntc, Great Lakes, Ill. _____________________________________________ _____________ Robert was living in New Albandy Indiana 3 hours from Munice I wonder if Robert and Hubert could have known each other in the military and visited when they were out... living 3 hours a part. If so, maybe hubert is related to Joseph Newton chandler? I'll start looking Name: Hubert B Chandler Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1926 . ( same age as Robert Ivan Nichols)Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Indiana Marital status: Single Relation to Head of House: Son Home in 1940: Muncie, Delaware, IndianaMap of Home in 1940: View Map Street: Kirby Avenue House Number: 1412Inferred Residence in 1935: Muncie, Delaware, Indiana Residence in 1935: Same House Sheet Number: 5A Attended School or College: Yes Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade Weeks Worked in 1939: 0 Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elmer Chandler 59 Laura Chandler 46 Lorraine Chandler 17 Hubert B Chandler 14 (born 1926)this is probably him, have to check moreName: Hubert Burk Chandler [Hubert B Chandler] Gender: Male Race: White Birth Date: 14 May 1925 Birth Place: Muncie Delaw, Indiana Death Date: 19 Jul 1996 Father: Elmer H Chandler Mother: Laura Farrens ( kind of like Ferrin?)( I just notice this stuff, means nothing)SSN: 303242655 Notes: May 1941: Name listed as HUBERT BURK CHANDLER; 23 Jul 1996: Name listed as HUBERT B CHANDLER on other docs below the mother is also listed as laura florence, france, faranceName: Hubert Burk Chandler Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 May 1925 Birth Place: Muncie, Delaware, Indiana, USA Registration Year: 1925 Father: Elmer Chandler Mother: Laura FranceCertificate Number: 23434 Roll Number: 010 Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health Volume Range: 46 - 50 Here is the father Elmer H Chandler born May 6 1881 in Virginia Married Laura france, farance, farrance living in Munice, Indiana (3 hours from Robert Ivan Nichols_) His son Hubert Burk Chandler was in military navy and marines and same age as Robert Ivan Nichols; could have met known each other and visited after out of military. ( trying to see if I can hook this family to Joseph Newton Chandler (AKA robert Ivan Nichols)Hubert Burt Chandler's father was living in Augusta Georgia (so was Joseph Newton Chandler's ID Grandfather) Hubert Burt Chandler's father was born in Waynesboro, Virginia(Robert Ivan Nichols sends letters from Virginia) Hubert Burt Chandler and family mother and father all living in Munice Indiana, 3 hours from Robert Ivan Nichols and family Hubert But Chandler same age as Robert Ivan Nichols - both listed with casualties, both listed as Navy and Marines Name: E. H. Chandler . Elmer H Chandler Father of Hubert Burt Chandler Gender: Male Death Age: 90 Birth Date: abt 1881 Residence Place: Augusta County, GA.Death Date: Abt 1971 Death Place: 2414 S. Beacon St. Obituary Date: 28 Mar 1971 Obituary Place: Muncie, Indiana, United States of America Spouse: Laura Child: Forrest Hazelbaker ( who is this)Hubert Chandler
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 12:29:36 GMT -8
Hmmm
Joseph Newton Chandler . (the ID) his father is Joseph Newton Chandler and the grandfather is also Joseph Newton Chandler.
the grandfather has a full brother also named Joseph.. but is Joseph Morris "John" Chandler. but listes as Joseph Newton Chandler also
why did they name two of their kids Joseph Chandler haha
one is 19 yrs old when the other one is born, so it is not like one died young so they had another boy and gave him the same name
someone must have entered all this stuff into genealogy and mixed it all UP? gee
I'll have to sort through all this stuff and go find all the docs to be sure what is really going on here
might be the census taker listed them both as son's when actually it is the son of the son living in the same house with the father/grandfather.
I hate when people do genealogy and do not go through the documents to find out what is really going on, then it gets copied over and over by people who do not check documents, and then people like us have to go back and sort through the whole dang family genealogy all over again and look up all the docs and census records... btw.. I'm a genealogist, so this is probably why it is so annoying to me. haha
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 12:40:49 GMT -8
I have to go find this again. Somewhere I saw a robert nichols listed with a Carrie Smith, and here is a Carrie Smith as the mother of Lillian Smith who is the wife of Joseph Newton Chandler.
Joseph Newton Chandler's wife these are the grandparents of Joseph Newton chandler the ID one
Lillian Drayton Smith Chandler (Mother is M. Carrie Holstun Smith) I saw this carrie smith listed somewhere with a Robert Nichols somewhere. ) BIRTH 10 Mar 1871 Arkansas, USA DEATH 25 Mar 1952 (aged 81) Weatherford, Parker County, Texas, USA BURIAL City Greenwood Cemetery Weatherford, Parker County, Texas, USA MEMORIAL ID 66436395 · View Source
Name: Doctor Joseph Newton Chandler ( the grandfather if the ID JNC) Birth Date: 27 Nov 1863 Birth Place: Georgia Gender: Male Race: White Residence: Weatherford, Texas Spouse: Mrs Lillian Drayton Smith - her mother is Carrie Smith Father: J N Chandler Age at Death: 75 Death Date: 1 Mar 1939
this is the father of ID JNC
Joseph Newton “Joe” Chandler Son of Lillian Smith and DR Joseph Newton Smith) so his grandmother is Carrie Smith. BIRTH 21 Mar 1902 Weatherford, Parker County, Texas, USA DEATH 21 Dec 1945 (aged 43) Sherman, Grayson County, Texas, USA BURIAL City Greenwood Cemetery Weatherford, Parker County, Texas, USA MEMORIAL ID 66436305 · View Source Death Place: Parker, Texas, USA
so could the Robert Ivan Nichols I saw with a carrie smith, could he have somehow been living in the same house or somehow related to Joseph Newton Chandler's grandmother? I'll try to find that again and see.
or Might the carrie smith I saw (with a robert nichols), be a niece or something of this smith family who might be a cousin or something to Joseph Newton Chandler?
GEE why do we have to have the name SMITH of all names to try to find. ugh
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 12:59:10 GMT -8
Are we positive that Robert Ivan Nichols is even Robert Ivan Nichols? hahah. what if the man who married his wife and had his kids, was never really Robert Ivan Nichols? hahaha.... his wife and kids would have never know....but his parents would. but did he go around them after in the service? or does someone else have robert Ivan Nichol's ID and using it too? or the real robert ivan nichols went around his real family and the fake one stayed away? something is really crazy here.
how do we even know that the guy in cali was even really robert nichols and not just someone with his( Robert Nichol's) id?
if someone would go get Joseph Newton Chandlers ID and use it, why would they not have gotten Robert Ivan Nichols ID and used it long before that and got married and had kids under that name.
ok I know this sounds nuts but I knew a guy for over 40 years who got married under another name, his kids all have the wrong name and his wife never knew his real name until one day I was helping her fill out some papers and she had to put his name on there and I was watching her and said, you put that name in the wrong place you have to put your husband's name there. she looked at me crazy and said "that is his name". He was sitting over on the couch and I looked up at him and he is shaking his head at me, and I'm thinking OMG, who does your wife think you are hahaha. everyone is sitting there who knows him and we are just staring out in space and finally I started cracking up. she looked at him and said WHO THE HELL ARE YOU haha. omg I decided I had to go to the store and left haha. I guess all those years she thought we were all just calling him a "nickname" haha. they had been married for over 10 years under a fake name of his, and his kids' birth certificates were all under fake names hahah It happens.
so what if the real Robert Nichols disappeared died, got murdered or whatever... and then someone has his ID, or maybe he is not dead and living normally and someone still has his ID.. they get married under the ID, have kids under the ID(so the dna would match). The real RIN goes sees his family has a life(if he is still alive), and so does the fake one with the ID of the real one? I know totally insane... but .. what if?
how does he not know he was suppose to get a divorce final degree? didn't the attorney tell him he would get it? surely the attorney would have said "okay you'll be receiving your final degree blah blah blah?
why send the penny to his son? is this guys name PENNY? haha
and another thing I thought was strange... his mother sent him some dessert/cookies and he knowing she went to the trouble of making those especially for him, he gives them away and tells her so... who does that? do you really tell your mom that? that is so mean and rude
maybe they better go re-run his DNA with family that is not his wife and kids, and make sure he is even the real RIN?
when is the last time the real robert ivan nichols with his mom and dad.. or brother, or someone who knew him from birth who would recognize him as being the real RIN?
okay, Robert Ivan Nichols was in the Navy. I also saw where it said USMC - marines
Now I find this too .. same birth and death date, so has to be him
how is he in all these different branches of the Military? these records are from the Veteran's administration, so it is not like just any person got mixed up.
is this for the army RESERVES? after he got out of the NAVY? and when in the heck was he in the marines? haha
Robert Nichols in the U.S., Department of Veterans Affairs BIRLS Death File, 1850-2010
Name: Robert Nichols Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Sep 1926 Death Date: 18 Apr 2002 Cause of Death: Natural Branch 1: ARMY Enlistment Date 1: 17 Aug 1944 Release Date 1: 8 Sep 1945
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 13:42:56 GMT -8
hmmm... let me think some more here.
let me go research the robert ivan nichols who is on the marriage certificate of Nelda sue Nichols born 1956 in New York Her mother is listed as Mertha Elaine Norton. this is in Virgina and the marriage is 1975 but at the time of marriage the residence of Nelda Sue Nichols is listed as Hornell, Steuben NY
so who is THIS Robert Ivan Nichols whose daughter is married in Virginia.
let me track this guy all over and see who he is
okay here he is with a different birth than "our" Robert Ivan Nichols, but I'll still keep checking
Name: Robert Ivan Nichols [Robert I Nichols] Gender: Male Race: White Birth Date: 13 Feb 1921 Birth Place: Kanona, New York Death Date: 9 Jan 2006 Father: Ivan Nichols Mother: Nellie G Merrick SSN: 078099106 Notes: Aug 1937: Name listed as ROBERT IVAN NICHOLS; 25 Jan 2006: Name listed as ROBERT I NICHOLS this is part of the above record; what is it... august 1937 and jan 25 2006 ?
okay here he is, right birth year as above, right town as on the marriage liceense for nelda sue nichols
but the wife is not the one on the marriage licesne.
does not appear to be "our" Robert Ivan Nichols, but who knows, still looking
Name: Robert I Nichols Birth Year: abt 1921 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: New York Marital status: Single Relation to Head of House: Son Home in 1930: Bath, Steuben, New York, USA Map of Home: View Map Street address: Kanona - Bath State Road Dwelling Number: 88 Family Number: 85 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: No Father's Birthplace: New York Mother's Birthplace: New York Able to Speak English: Yes Household Members: Name Age Ivan Nichols 41 Nellie G Nichols 30 . this is not the name of the mother on the daughters marriage... so hmmm Rebecca M Nichols 11 Robert I Nichols 9 Amelia A Nichols 7 Charles E Nichols 5 Frederick W Nichols 1
well they have this person in the cemetery so I guess he is really dead
Robert I. Nichols BIRTH 1921 DEATH 2006 (aged 84–85) BURIAL Nondaga Cemetery Bath, Steuben County, New York, USA MEMORIAL ID 80680786
this comes up but is it him?
Name: Robert Ivan Nichols Ship, Station or Activity: Gosper Ship Number or Designation: APA-170 Muster Date: 31 May 1945 635 430 3 . F2c
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 14:13:34 GMT -8
I'll keep adding to this
I'm going to list every date I can find for the REAL Robert Ivan Nichols and then compare them to other Robert Ivan Nichols
REAL Robert Ivan Nichols
1926 - Born sept 12, 1926 - birth record parents living 1823 Center, New Albany, Indiana 1930 - Census age 3 with parents at 1823 Center St. New Albany, Indiana 1940 - Census age 13 with parents at 1823 Center St. New Albany, Indiana 1946 - Casualty Book, revised - Listed in combat Naval casualties as Fireman 2c, USNR Parents listed 1823 Center, New Albany, Indiana 1946 - June 6th, WWII draft card, Lives with parents in New Albany Indiana, 19 yrs old, unemployed,
1957 - City Directory 107 cardinal drive, new albany, indiana, same town as his parents. so they he must see them. also at this address is wife Lavere
Other Robert Nichols
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 14:40:25 GMT -8
This probably does not have anything at all to do with anything, but just in case is does, here it is. I'll never find all this stuff later if I don't keep it now. This is for a Robert "S" Nichols ... April 7, 1945Pardon from the Idaho State Penitentiary and the next doc is about his arraignment and sentence... he is arraigned on Feb 24, 1945 he pleads guilty march 27, 1945 and he is sentenced to 1-15 yrs... but then he is pardoned on March 7 1946 and had some kind of parole reporting for a year his enlistment our to Chicago - date in the military was June 30, 1942 - NAVY another one june 30, 1944 another muster date Dec 4, 1944 there are a bunch more on later dates.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 15:04:14 GMT -8
This is a bit interesting. here is a Robert H Nichols...in VIRGINIA He is the same age in years as Robert Ivan Nichols who Deserts his wife... works for the US Government. (post office) married 1951, separates 1956... but our Robert is already married in these years to laverne. unless he was running back and forth? haha but it says he was born in washing dc.. so probably nothing to do with Robert Ivan Nichols... but back then it was so easy to write down anything and it went on the record like that. He just up and leaves his wife also?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 15:17:31 GMT -8
I really really think this guy had other ID's besides the Joseph Newton Chandler ID... if not, then where the heck is this guy. He was not hiding all THAT well as he was still working under his name, unless it was someone else in those places working under his ID. but then we would find them in those places under that name, and we don't. So all these years he never had utilities, phone, rent, ended up in the paper with a ticket, a wreck, any arrest, NOTHING... no marriages, no kids.
okay I know a little bit about hiding, well a LOT actually. (not explaining that, but, I definitely know how to hide for years) . and I'll tell you, there was absolutely no record of me to be found, however, I was not working under my name, I had different ID's, I was very careful etc... A person can certainly do it, and back then it was so easy to get a STACK of legit ID's from the DMV and birth certificates form the court houses... so I know this guy can do this. however. he was working under his name, he much have been paying taxes? cuz his work record is showing up. he was writing home and to his old attorney etc. He left in a brand new car most likely registered to him. So where is this guy.... he has to be using different ID's or something would show up.
I have went through so many docs, I don't think I missed it under Robert Ivan Nichols with that birthdate etc. I'm sure I haven't missed. He might be another Robert Nichols and changed his middle name when filling out something... and I'll check some more... but... right now I honestly believe this guy had other ID's during the times we can't find him.
so let me start looking under other names.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 5, 2019 20:20:15 GMT -8
There really is no PROOF of this but it is starting to look like MAYBE "our" Robert Ivan Nichols could have had wives and children all over the place. Maybe he was a bigamist with a bunch of kids all over the place? Just a THOUGHT. "IF" might be true, he could be all over the place under so many names with so many wives and kids it's crazy. He did not know he was suppose to get a final decree of marriage from Laverne... and he waited years to worry about that, so I'm thinking he went to get married and somehow they caught the marriage to laverne and they told him he had to PROVE he was no longer married to Laverne. He could have remarried under the "confidential marriage" law of california and so there is no record of that anywhere that is public for us to find? also if he married under "confidential law" any time, no matter how many times, he would not have to have a divorce decree to remarry again, because no one could find the record of the marriages if there were any.(It takes a court order to look, and who would even think to look; and where, and under what name?) He knew how to get ID in another person's name, so how many times did he do that? he could have married and had kids under those names as well. Either way, when he decided he was tired of a family, he just got up and left? All just a "guess" at this point, but I'm wondering. Good point. That is definitely possible. Hopefully he didn't knock up that vacuum cleaner though haha. I like that theory that he may have remarried around 1965 in California and possibly had more kids. Maybe that marriage fell apart and ended badly at some point and that is when he decided to use a false identity. I haven't seen anyone mention the possibility that "Chandler" was not the only fake name that he had used. It seems like he may have gotten the Chandler name in the mid 60's and may have even used it from time to time but never on any official documents. With some gaps in his timeline, maybe he did this with other identities as well. Good thinking! The thing that bothers me is that he supposedly used his real name until 1976. I want to see documentation of that.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 5, 2019 20:25:24 GMT -8
If anyone has a newspapers.com account maybe check for any old articles under the name Chandler, specifically from 1965-1978. I'm sure people have done this already and found nothing. The guy could have lived as a hermit, but he would have had to be living with someone and not have his name on any bills, or maybe he was homeless or had some unusual living arrangement. If he was steadily employed then you'd think he would have at least had an apartment. Could he have been in another country?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 23:23:31 GMT -8
hahaha on the vacuum cleaner haha
anyway, I use to subscribe to the newpaper article site. Maybe I should again.
I would really like to see that work history documentation also. shall we hack social security ahhahaha, just kidding. but really where is the documentation that supports this...does someone have it.. and where did this info come from? that he was working under his real name all those years?
I'm tearing my brain apart to try to figure out how to find this guy. I'm usually pretty successful in finding anything if I just keep working at it, but I guess we are going to have to go to the newpaper archives, and that is always something I would normally do, but I just let my subscription expire when I was not looking at cases for awhile, but I think it is time I go subscribe to that site again. I have a couple of other data bases I'll get back on as well. with a combination of them we should find something.
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 5, 2019 23:52:23 GMT -8
Yeah, they were living in Tulsa and died in Texas. Since the young Chandler was born in New York, they may have also ran an obituary there? I have been trying to establish a timeline for Nichols to see just how long he was in Michigan, California and South Dakota. -1964 is when he leaves his wife and moved to Dearborn, MI. I want to find out what month this took place. -By March of 1965 he is in the Richmond/Napa, CA area. So he wasn't in Michigan very long. -Reported missing by his family in 1965. -In 1978 he applies for a SSN under the Chandler name in the state of South Dakota. 1965-1978 is a big gap and the country is full of serial killers and other criminals in that time period. -Moved to Ohio in the Cleveland area shortly after getting his new identity. When does he move to South Dakota? Was he anywhere besides California between 1965 and 1978? Maybe he spends some of that time in Texas and/or Oklahoma and possibly even meets a relative of the real Chandler? Something I just read and had not heard before is that Investigators are also following a potential link to the unsolved 1989 murder of Amy Mihaljevic, a ten year old girl that was kidnapped and murdered in 1989. Check out this wanted poster. The composite on the right looks like a younger Nichols if you ask me. That really does look like Nichols on the right I agree
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 5, 2019 23:57:03 GMT -8
hahaha on the vacuum cleaner haha anyway, I use to subscribe to the newpaper article site. Maybe I should again. I would really like to see that work history documentation also. shall we hack social security ahhahaha, just kidding. but really where is the documentation that supports this...does someone have it.. and where did this info come from? that he was working under his real name all those years? I'm tearing my brain apart to try to figure out how to find this guy. I'm usually pretty successful in finding anything if I just keep working at it, but I guess we are going to have to go to the newpaper archives, and that is always something I would normally do, but I just let my subscription expire when I was not looking at cases for awhile, but I think it is time I go subscribe to that site again. I have a couple of other data bases I'll get back on as well. with a combination of them we should find something. All that info was from the PI firm I think Thats where almost all of the Nichols info came from But they didnt show evidence of most of their findings Not sure why. But they should have posted everything online because they know there would be alot of people that could use that info and do more digging and maybe come up with more clues or answers Oph might still have a newspapers.com account to look things up to I have nothing other than google lol
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Post by amazingates on Nov 5, 2019 23:59:34 GMT -8
Grasshopper... back up in this thread through all that stuff I dug up, there are lots of dates and places and I had even started making a timeline based on documents to support the dates and places... feel free to glean through any of that stuff I posted and pull out things in my timeline up there. If Put it in the timeline, I have it documented. and there are tons of dates on all those docs I pulled up. I always say if they are the right RIN or if they aren't so you will know which ones I checked out and know for sure.
If you see something in all that stuff up there and not sure if it is documented and 100% him, just ask me as I will remember which one's are 100% him. Or if you need me to look up something just ask.
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